No-one is mentioning Trump's stroke

[CharlotteCChapel]

It's like tumbleweed out there. During the live televised 9/11 remembrance service Trump's face drooped on one side.

No-one in the mainstream media seems to be mentioning it.

Ive only seen it mentioned on IHIP and the Meidas Touch.

Prove it, post a valid, current link. That isn't fox news, or some White Nationalist site.

Even worse, it was about his daughter. He said he would make his 10yr-old daughter carry any pregnancy to term. Even if it meant her death.

I am saying that all the evidence points to him being a Left Wing TRA.

The question is, why are you so desperate to deny this?

Id it because you have bought into the ”Right =bad and Left=good narrative” that you think because you’re Left you must automatically be good. Now it’s been shown the Left can be evil it’s led you to question your own position as good

Well if you actually follow any real doctors, they say he looks extremely sickly, and his speech shows signs of dementia. The man can't even walk in a straight line. He weaves side to side, staggering.

Yebbut they said he had months to live five years ago.

Actually I haven't said one or the other. Whether he is a maga turned blue or a Dem turned maga to me is immaterial. If you're fanatical it doesn't really matter if you end up shooting someone, something is seriously wrong. He has still been brought up in an environment that is cultlike, dogmatic, pro gun which is never a healthy way of nurturing children. Whether that leads to become extreme right or pushes him to the extreme left is debatable.

I'm not desperate to prove anything.As I have consistently said it is the motivations of trump to exploit his supposed great friends death to camouflage his epstein involvement and to generate a civil war to cancel the midterms. Djt and the republicans were claiming it was 'the left' minutes after ck was killed, that's where the desperation is, and that is why I have a very healthy disregard for the narrative that is being pushed by trump. He is too desperate, it's too convenient and given his inability to cope with any kind of objection or push back he is controlling the media and congress through threats and manipulation.

Two wrongs don't make a right, do I need to remind you?

No-one in the mainstream media seems to be mentioning it.

Thank God for that.

You don't know he was brought up in an environment that was cult like. The Mormons I know personally are nice people. I don't share their religious beliefs but they are decent. Some Mormons are cult like for sure, and there are certainly families where the religious identity merged with a far right ethos. All religions have that potential. You have Christian Nationalists, Islamist extremists, even violent Buddhist fundamentalists. But there are good things about religion too and lots of people find it adds to their life and manage not to go around killing others.

Until there is more information, I don't think it's at all fair to suggest he did what he did because of his parents religion or his upbringing. Its more likely that the parents were well-meaning but basically clueless about the worlds their son was getting sucked into. I would say the same thing if he was from an immigrant or a Muslim background.

MyHeartyCoralSnail and Ringojuice
Antidefamation League stats
Melissa Hortmann and her husband killed by trump supporter
Esther Salis ( [Obama appointee) son killed by trump supporter
Nanci Pelosi attempted kidnap and her husband attacked with a hammer by a trump supporter
Josh Shapiro attempted kidnap by trump supporter
Gretchen Witmer attempted kidnap by trump supporter
Men who attempted to kidnap and hang Mike Pence trump supporters
The man who supposedly shot djt a maga, as was the man who was scouting trumps golf course.
All of which makes trumps decision to remove security for previous administration employees ( most notably people who spoke out against him ) all the more ominous.
What could be the common denominator? 🤔

What the USA needs is a president who has a modicum of diplomacy, tact, humanity and intelligence; not a many times bankrupt 'deal-maker', who sees every interaction he undertakes as some sort of financial activity and alienates much of the western world in the process.

Watch Putin climb stone steps to lay a wreath. He kneels and then easily rises without help. He's agile enough and always had that gunslinger walk.

If you doubt Trump's verbal decline, compare his speech now to him talking from his first term. Biggest giveaway is constantly using simple words that he's used to, even when they don't quite fit. Good, bad, terrible, beautiful, big.
A glaring one for me, was when he described Newsum's handling of the riots as "a horrible job."
Doesn't mean he can't think, but he struggles with words. It's common when people are older.

Being younger is important too.

Last time they had that was Obama

So basically you deflect and don’t take seriously the threat from the left. Is this just a long-winded way to say that?

I’m guessing so. It’s actually a sign of extremism to be so brainwashed into an ideology that all critical thinking has disappeared and there is no acceptance of. That ideology’s limitations

I actually laughed out loud at this comment. Reread what you've written and do a little self reflection.

So despite the facts ive offered you.are saying the only violence that counts comes from the 'left'? And you accuse me of being myopic? Wow.
Having discussed at length my view points on this thread I've clearly stated that this is not just about one death, or one group, it is cherrypicking ehat violence counts and the lies and manipulation that suits trumps agenda.
There is no one side to this. Sadly you seem incapable of addressing or acknowledging others suffering and threats. To you there is only one aggressor, and only republican victims. The maga mindset.

It's terribly sad. Ringthing tried so hard to appear reasonable to begin with, and then blew it all out the window.

Fair enough, but who exposed him to guns and taught him to be an amazing shooter?

Sorry I missed this from earlier.
The cultlike reference was more to do with maga actually. I know very little about Mormons, the Osmonds maybe and some utah mormon influencers I watch... they seem nice people. I know there are some 'latter day saints ' (?) which I think maybe (?) have multiple marriages or something , beyond that I know very little.

In essence I know nothing other than what is online about this young man and his family. I have little time for the maga mindset and exposing young minds to firearms , which to me is utter madness.

Shootings like this just lead to more entrenched views , hate and division, which has been escalated by trump rather than defused. Religion to me has little to do with it. As far as I can see it wouldn't matter if he had ended up on the far right or left, his mindset was extreme and he had the capacity to kill whomever he percieved as his enemy. Whether he is far right or became far left because he rebelled against his maga far right upbringing, the ingredients were there for extremism , pro-gun, cultlike envionment, lack of exposure to diverse cultures, opinions and politics and online influences, ultimately a recipe for disaster.

I will not reason with people who know the truth yet spread absolute lies about a murdered man. It’s pointless.

For everyone else, I actually grew up in the kind of stifling conservative Christian background the shooter did and know that rebelling against it is fairly common (although not to those extremes ofc). I wasn’t the only one who left the church because it didn’t quite fit, and you don’t fit within the local culture.

Robinson is clearly a gay man, and must have felt some internal conflict over that wrt his upbringing. Unfortunately that alienation, self-loathing and hatred can lead to some dark places,

You perceive quoting Kirk's own words as lies?

You are speculating about Robinson.

Inconvenient of us to have listened to Kirk and know things he said, isn't it.

Refusal to engage in any debate about anything Kirk said that was frankly horrible, I find sad in the person refusing: blanket agreement with anyone's views is a sign of unthought.

I know nothing whatever about the shooter, and nor does anyone else as yet, though I think equating "trans" with "furry" is a stretch; I shall wait for better evidence than the maunderings of someone senile with an axe to grind and a crazed agenda, and of that twerp's acolytes, before I reach any conclusions about the shooter apart from the obvious: he shot Kirk.