Labour isn't working - Thread 7

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Good morning 😁

Phillipson has been on the media this morning giving a timeline. She said AR received advice when she bought the Hove flat. She then sought "expert legal advice" which came back on Monday, but was not clarified until Wednesday. AR applied for the court order to be lifted on Tuesday which was granted on Tuesday evening. AR was then able to discuss it, hence the interview yesterday.

It all sounds like a very tall tale. AR will now have to prove unequivocally that this poor advice is directly to blame for her failure to pay the correct stamp duty.

💯 this! It’s evidence that she is not smart enough to, clever enough or well informed enough to fo her job competently.

We tell the general public that ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it. This is doubly true for those who want to make it.

KB strikes me as wanting to be constructive, methodical and systematic rather than to show off and score points. She doesn’t come across as vindictive either. I don’t think she would ever land in AR’s position because she hasn’t run around being nasty and arrogant. She is smart enough to grasp the scale of the task and realise that she alone doesn’t have all the answers. All qualities we need in a leader now. things I think charisma is highly overrated. In the end, we get the government we deserve, I suppose.

Nigel Farrage is exillerating because he says the quiet parts out loud and has the swagger of someone who means to take action. I just worry that he hasn’t got enough depth in his party, they can’t build it out in time- and if they get elected and have make calls from instinct and “shoot from the hip” we will be in a new set of problems. I doubt the civil service will be very supportive to his agenda.

Shame the conservative party didn’t move with him. The charisma and reforming zeal with deep knowledge is what we need.

https://news.sky.com/story/fake-documents-debt-and-student-visas-inside-the-uks-immigration-system-13423639

Stringent systems are in place..

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-starmer-labour-badenoch-small-boats-farage-reform-12593360

Ok come on ‘expert legal advice’ scapegoat.. time to speak up.. 👀

Agreed about KB. She's really considered and thoughtful, and seems very straight down the line. Exactly what the Conservatives are all about.

I don't like the idea of a coalition with Reform, I'm afraid - coalitions tend to require each side giving up core principles, and I think the cost to the Conservatives would be too high. I do agree about Farage's charisma though, and also that the big Reform weakness is lack of broad, in-depth, long-term thought - exactly KB's strengths. I'd rather they didn’t form a coalition, but if it happens I'll wait and see what comes out of it.

Don't underestimate KB as a visionary. She was one of the first to stand up to TWAW, when that was a very dangerous stance. And commissioned the investigation into leaving EHCR when that was still considered 'out there'

I think her common sense and strength of character gives her quiet,
clear-sighted vision. I do prefer that to fireworks with no substance!

Yes, I think the most worrying thing about Reform is the lack of numbers. When the MRP polls return hundreds and hundreds of projected seats from a party that couldn't fill a lift, then who is filling the seats and where is the experience?

I think a coalition wouldn't serve either party but I wonder if more and more Conservatives will be tempted to jump ship should support for Reform continue over the next few years? I think if nothing changes then there will come a point when we'll have to hope so.

Well yes. A coalition with Reform would be awful. But at this point it’s the best the conservatives can wish for. Let’s hope they improve themselves in the coming months years, get JC as leader, KB as deputy and off we go..

Yes, I am not sure if it’s vision. I think a lot of people were thinking these things. For me it’s more like the bravery, integrity and honesty not to shirk from it.

I don't think the wind is behind Cleverly anymore.

Having KB as leader for the conservatives would be akin to JC for Labour. The party like her, she’s excellent at so many things (I will always love her for her sex realist work), speaks sense etc - but it’s no good if she’s not electable to the gen public. And sadly that’s the feedback so far. Could it change? 🤷‍♀️

Agreed. But could it change?

I hate and despise this government, so can I come in?

Listening to fucking Bridget Phillipson this morning attempt to defend the indefensible Angela Raynor gave me school run rage. I'm not usually a fan of Amol Rajan, but when he asked her whether it's acceptable for someone to be the Minister for Housing who has not paid £40,000-worth of tax on their own property and she said 'I don't think your listeners are interested in me replying to that' (I'm paraphrasing), I was yelling at the radio that 'Yes we bloody are!' Arrrggghhhh. Bunch of fucking hypocrites, the lot of them.

When I think of the utterly vicious way that the Labour party hounded Boris Johnson out of government for allowing people working in 10 Downing Street during the pandemic to have a glass of wine and a piece of cake together, when they'd all been working in the same room for months, it really gives me the rage to hear them defending their own greed, entitlement and hypocrisy in such a bare-faced way.

Ahhh, it feels better to have got that off my chest 😁

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Welcome 🤗

@ladybirdsanchez Welcome 😁. I think you'll fit right in 😂. Phillipson has the same effect on me.

This is exactly how I feel about KB. I love her work and her ideas, but she just isn't cutting through. I hope it's not Jenrick who replaces her, but that seems to be how the wind is blowing rn.

Welcome! BP winds me up more than the others too. She seems so snarky and spiteful.

On an earlier thread her classic villain’s origin story was explained. (I have not verified it) Apparently her step siblings went to private school while she went to grammar, then at Oxford she didn’t feel the other students were welcoming enough to her.

If true, it certainly explains the psychology behind all of her chippiness and joy in hurting others.

Good point.

Brilliant, welcome!

Every time some radio person does the I feel sorry for her nonsense I say F off and change stations.

Attack dog to tears when found out. Horrible, nasty people all propping each other up.

Sky are reporting that AR sought the original advice from a conveyancer, and two experts in trust law. None have been named.

Honestly, I don't see it. Cleverly is a bit - business as usual - and it just doesn't have the cut through set against the bombastic rhetoric of Reform, and soon Your Party.

Farage was ridiculous yesterday in comparing us to North Korea. What has happened to Lineham - and all the other gender critical women who have been terrorised by a radicalised police force - is absolutely anti-democratic, vicious and does great harm to free speech. But it's not - sneaking out in the night with your family hidden under a blanket at the risk of being executed - bad. But - who has all the column inches today? Not Kemi.

Agree on Farage yesterday.
Also bad mouthing the UK like that abroad is not on.

That's interesting - I hadn't heard her backstory but surprise, surprise! No wonder she's turned out to be such an unpleasant, spiteful handmaiden of the politics of envy. If she couldn't have a private education, then she'll screw every single parent in the country who dares to give that to their own child. She and Raynor make a good pair, with Rach from Accounts and drippy Starmer. I actually quite like Wes Streeting though.

Is anyone else regularly checking the news to see if Raynor has been sacked yet? That would really make my day 😁