Hate how racist everything has become, and how quickly it’s happened.

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I was just looking at facebook, and a ‘Sad face’ newsmaker article came up. Practically all the comments mentioned boats, asylum seekers etc etc. Its really getting me down.

Travelled to the south west last weekend. On the way down no flags on bridges. On the way back, in some areas, every bridge.

Its scary how quickly it’s all happening.

Spousal visa is actually surprisingly onerous. Nobody has an issue with that sort of visa.

So you are saying the women and children are not in immediate danger in their own countries? What about all the Afghan men? How will the women left behind live as they cannot work or even leave their homes alone to buy food?

Thank you neatly said.

@NestingbirdsIf you cannot see what you have written is racist and uneducated than you're lying to yourself.

Is becoming a minority in your own country ‘lasting demographic change’? I think it is.

Please direct me to a thread that involves this as I’d prefer healthy debate on this.

Why did you vote Tory and Brexit presumably?
The huge number of ‘children dying in poverty’ has been going on for years, why now is it a problem you can pin on migrants/refugees/asylum seekers. If you’ve got a problem about crumbling services, lack of go appointments, no school places, blame the party that was in power 3/4 of the last 100 years. Or rather blame yourselves for voting for the inept bunch of chancers..
Fwiw the current government are at least trying to do something, increasing deportations, moving these people out of hotels. The previous lot did nothing.

I once found a news article that showed on a graph the demographic change over the years and predicted change in the future based on current trends. It showed how white British people would be in the minority.

Your government. They could in fact stop this if they wanted to, they choose not to. Even inaction is a choice.

Please highlight where I have said that?

They are doing something. Forgive me, but do some research.

So do you think people who are racist are going to ask for the details of how someone arrived in the UK, does it go something like this, "Oh hello, welcome to the UK, before I despise you for existing (due to the colour of your skin), can you provide the details of whether you have a spousal visa?" Come off it mate, this is just a fictional or deluded view of how racism works.

Even the Biden admin claimed to be ‘doing something’. Something totally ineffective that is

Fabulous! I agree - what is your solution to millions arriving on a small island? Do you think it’s remotely sustainable and if so why?

Perhaps you haven’t noticed the hospitals struggling, the grid locked roads, the lack of GP appointments, the chronic lack of housing. Please do enlighten us with your solutions.

Of course they're in danger, hence the need to claim asylum elsewhere - but the risk to life could be perceived as higher on the journey to asylum. As I said the risk is calculated by each family, hopefully they can be supported/protected by wider family but sometimes that is not possible, and that's where you see women and children making the journey too. Parents are not willingly putting their children at risk either way! Many Afghan men fleeing alone are against the Taliban and are trying their hardest to get their wives and children out from under their rule and current suppression.

The problem we have is uncontrolled immigration is only going to worsen prejudice and discrimination.

What a terribly inflammatory, irresponsible offensive post. Are trying to get banned or just to silence the debate?

When has any population ever been asked to "consent" to demographic change? It has occurred throughout history and it will continue to happen. Particularly as climate change starts to bite and parts of the planet become uninhabitable.

I don't disagree that successive governments have failed to manage this issue effectively, but that's a separate matter.

There is no point in talking about a great country that is known for its kindness and tolerance if we've decided that those values no longer suit us. Surely what you're arguing for is a country which prioritises self interest and indifference to the suffering of others. And that's where our thinking diverges, as those are not the values that I was brought up with.

What is it with white immigrants thinking they’re superior to other immigrants because they married an Englishman?

There’s kindness and tolerance, but then there is plain self-sabotage. I think governments have indeed failed the British population sadly. I am saying that as a third-generation immigrant myself.

I don’t think it’s uncontrolled. If we are talking about asylum seekers they get processed, and some meet the criteria to stay and some get deported.
it’s not uncontrolled

Why on earth do you think she would get banned for that?

Did you report any of the posts generalising about Muslims?

How's it inflammatory, it's using sarcasm to highlight how racism works, after all the thread is about racism.

In the meantime they leave the women to starve to death?

Or English woman 🤔

There aren't any threads on MNHQ with a measured debate on this subject, unfortunately. The racism and disinformation is everywhere and MNHQ doesn't have the capacity within its moderation team to tackle it.

What is happening on MN is part of a wider social media campaign that has been orchestrated by the far right. One of the racist posters openly admitted that they weren't actually a MN user, they had just come over from Twitter to stir up trouble after seeing a link on one of their far right feeds. You will see a lot of new users on these threads, who don't post about anything else.