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Hate how racist everything has become, and how quickly it’s happened.

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Silverbirchleaf · 24/08/2025 22:13

I was just looking at facebook, and a ‘Sad face’ newsmaker article came up. Practically all the comments mentioned boats, asylum seekers etc etc. Its really getting me down.

Travelled to the south west last weekend. On the way down no flags on bridges. On the way back, in some areas, every bridge.

Its scary how quickly it’s all happening.

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Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:49

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 09:42

I am no fan, and didn't vote for him. I do like a balanced argument though. In order to have that, one must look at the every aspect, and not just cherry pick the parts that support their own view.

It's a shame that this country has descended into believing the bullshit spread by social media and some news outlets rather than looking at evidence and fact.

It is a shame that you are tone deaf and refuse to believe those that say their own communities have become no go areas due to the intimidation of hordes of young hooded men, their children are being raped, crimes are being committed and their own homeless are left on the streets whilst these people bypass everyone into hotels! How can you possibly imagine that this is in anyway acceptable in 2025?????

It disgusts me that you reduce all of the suffering and despair down to stories on social media. It is an outrage, and I won’t participate in a debate that minimises any of this.

The situation is totally out of control. You can say whatever you like to defend the indefensible but most of the country have had enough.

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 09:58

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 08:26

you’re not paying attention, I’m not saying Japanese people sprung from the ground for God’s sake. But the difference is enormous. Yes, of course, like any population, Japan’s people formed over centuries through migrations and mixing — Jomon, Yayoi, Chinese, Korean, etc. That’s true everywhere. The point is that, once the Japanese nation coalesced, it has been comparatively closed for over a thousand years, with very little large-scale inflow afterwards. Britain, on the other hand, has been repeatedly invaded, occupied, and resettled — Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, then later waves tied to empire and migration.

So yes, both are products of mixing, but the scale, frequency, and continuity of those influences is dramatically different. That’s why Japan is still broadly considered monoethnic, whereas Britain is not.

That’s not really true, there were a lot of incursions during this period of settlement from the East Asian continent and it didn’t really settle down until 500-600AD. There are hardly any native Jomon peoples left, they were pushed to the northernmost islands (although most Japanese have some Jomon ancestry themselves).

Thats all besides the point: if you can break down English ethnicity like this (or deny it ever actually existed), then really, you can do this to literally any peoples on earth (maybe that’s your goal, idk)

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:04

I also note that they now do this in Ireland too: media tells people that since Ireland was invaded by Vikings/Normans/English that they are not monoethnic and never have been.

This justification appears right around the time of mass immigration too …

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 10:23

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 09:58

That’s not really true, there were a lot of incursions during this period of settlement from the East Asian continent and it didn’t really settle down until 500-600AD. There are hardly any native Jomon peoples left, they were pushed to the northernmost islands (although most Japanese have some Jomon ancestry themselves).

Thats all besides the point: if you can break down English ethnicity like this (or deny it ever actually existed), then really, you can do this to literally any peoples on earth (maybe that’s your goal, idk)

600 AD is very different to the continual waves of invasion, resettlement and empire migration that shaped the UK right up to the modern period. That’s the point — Japan’s major formative migrations had largely stabilised by that time, whereas Britain kept experiencing new influxes and shifts (Normans in 1066, Viking settlements, Huguenot refugees, Commonwealth migration, post-imperial movement, etc).

And the diversity is also on a totally different scale — Japan remained overwhelmingly East Asian with relatively homogenous language and culture, whereas Britain ended up with very mixed European inputs, then later African, Caribbean, South Asian, Middle Eastern and more.

I’m not offering an “opinion” here, I’m literally repeating what published historical and demographic studies say. Japan is consistently described as broadly monoethnic, the UK is not. That’s data, not ideology.

JHound · 26/08/2025 10:36

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:14

Jesus Christ you are actually him or part of the team!!!

The whole country are in despair - even those that voted for you! Do the decent thing, call an election and scuttle off the national stage, you are wrecking this country and we are all united about that at least. Fucking hell. The cheek of it.

Calling an election after a year is moronic and this kind of thinking is why nothing gets done.

But that poster is correct is she not. The more places that become safe the more people can be returned to their home.

JHound · 26/08/2025 10:39

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:04

I also note that they now do this in Ireland too: media tells people that since Ireland was invaded by Vikings/Normans/English that they are not monoethnic and never have been.

This justification appears right around the time of mass immigration too …

Are you still obsessing over racial purity? It’s bonkers to me that a Yank is this obsessed with racial purity in Ireland and the UK.

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:43

600 AD is very different to the continual waves of invasion, resettlement and empire migration that shaped the UK right up to the modern period

It’s just 500 years difference. The English have been largely unchanged since 1066AD (which genetic studies have shown).

That’s the point — Japan’s major formative migrations had largely stabilised by that time, whereas Britain kept experiencing new influxes and shifts (Normans in 1066, Viking settlements, Huguenot refugees, Commonwealth migration, post-imperial movement, etc)

I am comparing 1066AD with 660AD. Just a few hundred years difference. Only small migrations since, which Japan experienced too (diffusion of Buddhism, for example). Not until WW2 did this really change for Britain, and it’s within living memory.

You can say you don’t value the concept of English ethnicity. That’s fine. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist.

I’m not offering an “opinion” here, I’m literally repeating what published historical and demographic studies say

This is so hilarious to me. Scholars are trying to tell normie Japanese that actually they have diverse roots, with very tight, historic ties to Korea and southeastern China. Yet here you are saying NOPE.

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:44

JHound · 26/08/2025 10:39

Are you still obsessing over racial purity? It’s bonkers to me that a Yank is this obsessed with racial purity in Ireland and the UK.

Sometimes it takes an outsider to see how idiotic things have become.

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 10:50

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:43

600 AD is very different to the continual waves of invasion, resettlement and empire migration that shaped the UK right up to the modern period

It’s just 500 years difference. The English have been largely unchanged since 1066AD (which genetic studies have shown).

That’s the point — Japan’s major formative migrations had largely stabilised by that time, whereas Britain kept experiencing new influxes and shifts (Normans in 1066, Viking settlements, Huguenot refugees, Commonwealth migration, post-imperial movement, etc)

I am comparing 1066AD with 660AD. Just a few hundred years difference. Only small migrations since, which Japan experienced too (diffusion of Buddhism, for example). Not until WW2 did this really change for Britain, and it’s within living memory.

You can say you don’t value the concept of English ethnicity. That’s fine. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist.

I’m not offering an “opinion” here, I’m literally repeating what published historical and demographic studies say

This is so hilarious to me. Scholars are trying to tell normie Japanese that actually they have diverse roots, with very tight, historic ties to Korea and southeastern China. Yet here you are saying NOPE.

You keep tying yourself in knots and it’s almost funny to watch. Yes, Japan has historic ties to Korea and China — nobody disputes that. What you refuse to acknowledge is the glaring difference in scale and continuity. Japan’s formative migrations stabilised over a thousand years ago. Britain? It’s been invaded, resettled, and reshaped over and over again: Normans, Vikings, Huguenots, empire, Commonwealth, modern migration. The contrast is massive, and every reputable historian and demographic study says so.

So why do you keep twisting this into something it isn’t? Why pretend I’ve said “the Japanese sprang from the soil,” when I’ve been crystal clear I’m talking about historical scale and frequency? Why ignore the data and start screeching about “racial purity” instead of addressing the actual point? Could it be because you’ve got no answer?

And the irony is staggering: you’re an American, of all people, lecturing the British and Irish about “racial purity” like it’s your personal crusade. Why are you so invested in this? Why obsess over the UK’s demographics from across the Atlantic, as if it’s some culture-war battlefield you get to import? Do you not see how ridiculous that looks?

So let me make it simple: Japan is consistently described in the literature as monoethnic. Britain is not. That’s not my “opinion,” that’s published demographic fact. If you find that “hilarious,” then all you’ve really admitted is that you don’t like the facts. But dislike ≠ disprove.

LavenderBlue19 · 26/08/2025 10:56

PeonyPatch · 26/08/2025 09:04

That’s interesting, yeah. Was it a 4* hotel out of interest? How were they as guests when they stayed? btw - I’ve nothing with immigrants themselves as they are people just like you and I. I just think mass immigration needs some controls.

I doubt it was 4*, no - it was a bit run down with a crap owner who refused to spend money on repairs. Lovely manager though with very high standards. It was mainly used by businessmen visiting the local city, and visitors to the nearby university. It's no longer in business (this is over 20 years ago). Does it matter what star rating it was, though? It's the owner of the hotel who decides what to use it for.

The asylum seekers were like anyone else staying in a hotel - some were nice, a few were not. Most were fine. They were there long-term so we got to know them. Some were very quiet/withdrawn and didn't want to chat. There was one young man I often think of and wonder what happened to him - he stayed a long time (I assume a complex case), he seemed very lost and upset a lot of the time and said he missed his family. I hope he's ok now.

I think directing your anger at actual people in hotels is disgusting. By all means protest if you want political change, but to go to actual hotels and threaten people inside is revolting behaviour and the people doing it should be arrested.

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 11:08

@awkwardasfuck you are getting very angry over a simple fact: the English have been remarkably homogeneous as an ethnicity since 1066AD. Genetic studies have demonstrated this. They are no different than most other ethnicities on this Earth, some had an ethnogenesis earlier, some later.

Again, you can say English ethnicity doesn’t matter, that it’s fine for them to be a minority in their own country for whatever reason you like. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist.

HappiestSleeping · 26/08/2025 11:11

Nestingbirds · 26/08/2025 09:49

It is a shame that you are tone deaf and refuse to believe those that say their own communities have become no go areas due to the intimidation of hordes of young hooded men, their children are being raped, crimes are being committed and their own homeless are left on the streets whilst these people bypass everyone into hotels! How can you possibly imagine that this is in anyway acceptable in 2025?????

It disgusts me that you reduce all of the suffering and despair down to stories on social media. It is an outrage, and I won’t participate in a debate that minimises any of this.

The situation is totally out of control. You can say whatever you like to defend the indefensible but most of the country have had enough.

I hear all this rhetoric, but have yet to see any factual evidence. There was an article recently naming a hotel in a road where all this crime had allegedly taken place. The people who live in that road were bemused as they hadn't seen the hotel, the migrants, or the crime. I'll post it when I find it again.

Prison inmates who are not British citizens are declining, and the ONS has only recently started tracking crimes perpetrated by immigrants, so there are no official figures until the end of the year.

So, I would say I am not tone deaf to these crimes should they really be happening, but all I've actually seen is quotes like yours where it is all "somebody said". There will, of course, be some crime perpetrated by immigrants, but in a similar vein to you, I don't wish to be drawn into a debate with no evidence or fact. I have yet to see evidence of any emerging trend from any reliable source. I would concede that if the number of immigrants increases, that I would expect a consequent increase in crimes committed, but per capita it is likely to be the same as it always has been. If you can point me to a reliable source with some statistics, I am very happy to be proved wrong (not happy that it is happening of course, but happy to see real evidence).

Also, you are conflating two issues regarding the homeless. Homelessness is caused by many factors, and those factors should be addressed to reduce homelessness. That would be social services and local services both of which are receiving more funding under this government than the previous one.

There is no magic bullet to solve all this, but the populist bullshit spouted by Farage and co sure isn't helping.

awkwardasfuck · 26/08/2025 11:12

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 11:08

@awkwardasfuck you are getting very angry over a simple fact: the English have been remarkably homogeneous as an ethnicity since 1066AD. Genetic studies have demonstrated this. They are no different than most other ethnicities on this Earth, some had an ethnogenesis earlier, some later.

Again, you can say English ethnicity doesn’t matter, that it’s fine for them to be a minority in their own country for whatever reason you like. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist.

I'm not angry at all, let alone "very"

I'm just now bored of your inability to accept information that the rest of the educated world understands very clearly.

We have become less homogenous since then, by the way.

Anyway, you cling to whatever you want to, which appears to be some idea of racial purity in English people that has never existed.

PeonyPatch · 26/08/2025 11:25

LavenderBlue19 · 26/08/2025 10:56

I doubt it was 4*, no - it was a bit run down with a crap owner who refused to spend money on repairs. Lovely manager though with very high standards. It was mainly used by businessmen visiting the local city, and visitors to the nearby university. It's no longer in business (this is over 20 years ago). Does it matter what star rating it was, though? It's the owner of the hotel who decides what to use it for.

The asylum seekers were like anyone else staying in a hotel - some were nice, a few were not. Most were fine. They were there long-term so we got to know them. Some were very quiet/withdrawn and didn't want to chat. There was one young man I often think of and wonder what happened to him - he stayed a long time (I assume a complex case), he seemed very lost and upset a lot of the time and said he missed his family. I hope he's ok now.

I think directing your anger at actual people in hotels is disgusting. By all means protest if you want political change, but to go to actual hotels and threaten people inside is revolting behaviour and the people doing it should be arrested.

I think directing your anger at actual people in hotels is disgusting. By all means protest if you want political change, but to go to actual hotels and threaten people inside is revolting behaviour and the people doing it should be arrested.

I agree with this. It’s not their fault. A lot, if not most of them, are very traumatised and lost. I was sad to read about the man you have written about.

I guess the reason for my questions is purely curiosity, because I think much of the ignorance about them is due to lack of knowledge, awareness and empathy for them.

I can also see the appeal of hotel owners accepting them as it’s a guaranteed income stream (from the government).

JHound · 26/08/2025 11:32

RingoJuice · 26/08/2025 10:44

Sometimes it takes an outsider to see how idiotic things have become.

Nah that’s not what it is….

Your obsession with racial purity is disturbing.

anotherside · 26/08/2025 13:09

Thegreyhound · 25/08/2025 09:17

Absolutely this.
if every single migrant boat was turned back and every asylum seeker was deported the issues would still be shit housing, stretched services and massive social inequality. People are in a dreamworld if they think this is not the case.
There are people watching all this flagshagging and laughing all the way to the bank.

I think this is the case but I reckon people have copped on that none of the parties have the answer. For working class/lower middle class there’s no solution to the falling standard of living (prices, housing, public services).
The flag stuff is completely juvenile with a side of racism. But the wider support for Reform is partly I think because people have given up believing there is a political party that can solve this stuff.

Any party that has the guts to begin even addressing the depth of social and economic issues in the UK will get absolutely crushed at the subsequent election.

Hoardasauruskaren · 26/08/2025 13:21

Thegreyhound · 25/08/2025 09:17

Absolutely this.
if every single migrant boat was turned back and every asylum seeker was deported the issues would still be shit housing, stretched services and massive social inequality. People are in a dreamworld if they think this is not the case.
There are people watching all this flagshagging and laughing all the way to the bank.

Agreed! Same as the £300 million a day for the NHS didn’t appear after Brexit!

valadon68 · 26/08/2025 14:01

Flags + some kind of cultural festivity (like a fleadh or eisteddfod) or commemoration of history = celebration of England, which is usually lovely and enjoyable for everyone, no issues there.

A coordinated launch of flags up and down the country with zero cultural substance accompanying them = this is about foreigners, little to do with drawing attention to great things about England. If you were to draw a cartoon of the country, it would be standing there forlornly in the corner, forgotten while everyone picks fights over it.

No one seems to be acknowledging that many of the great perks of belonging in some way to England are now less and less accessible by the working class - the arts, the countryside and clean rivers, beautiful architecture and stately homes, a well-rounded education and historical knowledge, justice before the law etc. People are not being shamed for being patriotic - they don't need to be, as the price tag keeps people out.

JHound · 26/08/2025 15:55

Much as I cannot stand Bad Enoch - when even she is noticing how overt racism in Britain is growing rapidly…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/24/kemi-badenoch-hysterical-level-personal-attacks-as-black-woman

The Tory leader told the Sunday Times she had been surprised at the amount of racism she had faced since being elected, having previously insisted that Britain was “the best place in the world to be black”.

The level of personal attacks from anonymous people, it’s hysterical. Not even just from MPs. I actually don’t think it’s that many MPs. I think it’s two to three people out of 120. That’s nothing. But online as well. People used to talk about Trump derangement syndrome. I think there’s a Kemi derangement syndrome: ‘How could she possibly have done this?’.”
She added that on social media, “there’s a lot of ethno-nationalism creeping up, lots of stuff about my race and my ethnicity and the tropes around, ‘well, she couldn’t possibly have done this all by herself’”
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Kemi Badenoch reveals ‘hysterical’ level of personal attacks faced as a black woman

Tory leader tells Sunday Times she is surprised at amount of racism she has experienced since taking up post

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/24/kemi-badenoch-hysterical-level-personal-attacks-as-black-woman

Lilactimes · 26/08/2025 17:41

valadon68 · 26/08/2025 14:01

Flags + some kind of cultural festivity (like a fleadh or eisteddfod) or commemoration of history = celebration of England, which is usually lovely and enjoyable for everyone, no issues there.

A coordinated launch of flags up and down the country with zero cultural substance accompanying them = this is about foreigners, little to do with drawing attention to great things about England. If you were to draw a cartoon of the country, it would be standing there forlornly in the corner, forgotten while everyone picks fights over it.

No one seems to be acknowledging that many of the great perks of belonging in some way to England are now less and less accessible by the working class - the arts, the countryside and clean rivers, beautiful architecture and stately homes, a well-rounded education and historical knowledge, justice before the law etc. People are not being shamed for being patriotic - they don't need to be, as the price tag keeps people out.

That’s a fair point.

Pedallleur · 26/08/2025 17:44

JHound · 26/08/2025 15:55

Much as I cannot stand Bad Enoch - when even she is noticing how overt racism in Britain is growing rapidly…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/24/kemi-badenoch-hysterical-level-personal-attacks-as-black-woman

The Tory leader told the Sunday Times she had been surprised at the amount of racism she had faced since being elected, having previously insisted that Britain was “the best place in the world to be black”.

The level of personal attacks from anonymous people, it’s hysterical. Not even just from MPs. I actually don’t think it’s that many MPs. I think it’s two to three people out of 120. That’s nothing. But online as well. People used to talk about Trump derangement syndrome. I think there’s a Kemi derangement syndrome: ‘How could she possibly have done this?’.”
She added that on social media, “there’s a lot of ethno-nationalism creeping up, lots of stuff about my race and my ethnicity and the tropes around, ‘well, she couldn’t possibly have done this all by herself’”
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How can she be surprised? Racists will hate anyone if they are of a different colour etc.

Timeforabitofpeace · 26/08/2025 17:48

I’m getting sick of the BBC. Farage is forever on the front page, and he isn’t in power, actually. Stop giving him so much air time ffs.

JHound · 26/08/2025 18:46

Timeforabitofpeace · 26/08/2025 17:48

I’m getting sick of the BBC. Farage is forever on the front page, and he isn’t in power, actually. Stop giving him so much air time ffs.

They give him far more time than he merits.

YelloDaisy · 26/08/2025 21:37

JHound · 26/08/2025 18:46

They give him far more time than he merits.

Yes - why didn’t they headline Keir Starmer giving his views on how to fix the immigration numbers

  1. goodness knows where he is - on hols? Certainly not heard any comments from him
  2. he has no answer to the immigration numbers
JHound · 26/08/2025 22:12

YelloDaisy · 26/08/2025 21:37

Yes - why didn’t they headline Keir Starmer giving his views on how to fix the immigration numbers

  1. goodness knows where he is - on hols? Certainly not heard any comments from him
  2. he has no answer to the immigration numbers

SDS.