Labour isn't working - Thread 6

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Anyone that doesn’t work for the public sector is an obvious target for labour. They talk about the descent into populism but they aren’t making any attempt to govern for a cross section of society whatsoever.

They ran a whole election populist slogans "smash the gangs" et al

Absolutely!

Without making this a TAAT, I've just been reading a very rose tinted glasses thread about Labour's progress since the GE. I find it mind boggling how people reject evidence of under-performance by dismissing it out of hand. (With a side order of 'but the Tories would be worse'!)

What are the bets that the new 'wealth' tax on houses will be set in such a way that Angela Rayner's £800k home isn't hit? 🤔

Also interesting that she bought it just before Labour started leaking information about their plans. That kind of thing is generally frowned upon in private industry.

Their aim does seem to be increased state control of everything. It's moving fast, too!

We know that socialism simply doesn't work - it always fails when other people's money runs out. Think we're going to be the next example of that. Unfortunately, it will be a painful few years to do it - with long lasting consequences.

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It wont stop her from knifing Reeves when the time comes though.

I agree. The was a poster on C another thread who was indignant at having her posts removed for calling another poster ‘racist’. It was clearly meant as an insult, clearly breached MN rules, but of course she felt the rules shouldn’t apply if you insult a person who you have decided (by your your own deluded standards) is ‘racist’

Yes that’s what’s she’s done. Claimed her new seaside flat as her main residence, so paid much less tax on it. She needs sacking.

Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias blah blah blah 🤷‍♀️

This thing with Raynor and the flat absolutely stinks. It’s straight out of the Tory party days of sleaze rule book. I really hope she is pressed harshly about this.

I think it's all a bit irrelevant about how well they think it's going. The facts are dismal. Unless they think that sky high borrowing costs, increasing joblessness, inflation on the rise, businesses stymied, illegal immigration on the rise, increased civil unrest across the county, losing a gazillion council seats, a third of their members about to switch alliegence to Corbyn's new party, the Chancellor sobbing her eyes out in the House of Commons, enough u-turns to sink a battle ship and super fuelling the reform party - is symptomatic of their success?

And that's all before the next budget.

That’s my thread @LupaMoonhowl . At one point I changed user names for no reason other than I was bored with one. I have these flashes of boredom for no reason. But now I’ve got 2 usernames running at the same time. Did by accident but never mind.. I say the same things. I’ll go back to my old name on the next thread here!!

And yes, the Labour trolls have been attacking me for no reason other than Uhm different views.. no change for them.

Has this been noted yet? With all the Angela Rayner housing stuff /I think this is new today /flipping her ‘main residence yet again to avoid 40 k (!!!!) stamp duty on the Hove house.
From the Telegraph
Angela Rayner saved £40,000 in stamp duty on her new seaside flat after telling tax authorities it was her main home, The Telegraph can disclose.
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The Deputy Prime Minister is understood to have removed her name from the deeds of her house in Greater Manchester a few weeks before buying an £800,000 seaside flat in Hove, East Sussex.
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The changes enabled Ms Rayner to avoid paying £70,000 stamp duty, which would have been applicable if Hove was her second home. Instead she is thought to have paid £30,000 stamp duty, saving her £40,000 in the process.
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But she has also told Tameside council in Manchester that her constituency house remains her primary residence and informed Brighton and Hove council that her apartment there was a second home for council tax purposes.
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Although the changes are entirely legal, the arrangements will raise questions over whether she has deliberately conducted her property affairs to pay less stamp duty and council tax.
A surcharge on stamp duty for second home owners was introduced by the previous Tory government in 2016, the rate of which was raised by Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, last October in a move designed to target the wealthy and boost revenue for the Treasury.

Yes, I've seen that. Apparently it is a legitimate accounting sleight of hand but you'd think it might choke in the throat of someone who calls them self a socialist.

I just wonder who they think they're convincing with the Pollyanna approach? Anybody with eyes in their head can see that it's a car crash. Maybe they think if they say it often enough, it'll be true? 🤷‍♀️

Probably trying to stop the other two thirds of the membership from leaving.

I mean the extra annual wealth tax that they plan to introduce on all homes worth over £?, to replace stamp duty. There's talk of it not applying to homes where stamp duty was paid - although I'd expect the amnesty would be a set number of years from when the stamp duty was paid rather than until the house is sold.

In which case, buying her mansion as close as possible to the tax start date would benefit Raynor.

The exact threshold of the new tax also hasn't been revealed yet.

Wonder when they started talking about the policy inside Labour? And who will be feeding into the specifics?

Blimey, Rayner is something else isn't she. I'm glad the press have her in their crosshairs. The thought of her in No10 fills me with dread.

I think the Chancellor will definitely go for the bank levy in the budget. Their supporters will clap and shout like performing sealions if she goes after the big bad banks.

Kirsty Alsopp has labelled Reeves the Baldrick Chancellor, thanks to her cunning plan to hit landlords with NI.

Is it a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and let it self identify as a fox?

It seems more than a bit off that you can tell the council one thing for CT purposes and HMRC another for SDLT purposes.

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No doubt is there. 🤢

Oh, I don't know, I just read that that was the case. They/ I might be wrong.

It's actually a perfect example of why there shouldn't be different tax rules for main residence and second properties. At all.

Unscrupulous people find ways to avoid it. Which includes socialists, who I think are generally the most unpleasant, dishonest thieves of any political stripe. I actually don't think that's accidental - it's why they feel entitled to steal from everyone else.

Leaving only the middle-high income, 'sensible' citizens being robbed yet again by those extra taxes.