Labour isn't working - Thread 6

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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This shows mental
imbalance. It’s not surprising at all.

Nope. So it's their choice and their loss

They did in primary cos it was a state primary so that was OK 🤣 even though it was a 100% white MC rural village school

@twistyizzy that's so tough sorry about that their total loss. So weird when people put their prejudice in the way of getting a nice experience

Yep but I don't lose sleep over it any more. It makes me see those hypocrites a lot more clearly though

Two shining examples of the intolerance of the left on this thread tonight.

? Where?

In other tales of enlightenment, I think my DH is on the turn too. Perhaps there's something in the water or a full moon?
I don't want to speak too soon, but he's definitely going a bit conservative 🤞

The video you posted, and twisty's parents.

🤞

Ah I see. 😂🙈

Actually it’s my lovely husband who has always being a Tory voter, and I, Labour (I used to call him a Tory wanker if he was annoying. I was obviously Tolerant and kind true to Labour’s mo!). So it’s me who has seen the light and changed in the last few years.

In fact I saw an old friend the other month, not seen for many years. He said are you still a terrible champagne socialist? 😂🙈 I assured him no I was not. Things have changed. I think Ken livingstone in London (mayor)is the last time I voted for a Labour candidate of any kind.

Ken Livingston! That's a blast from the past lol.
I'm glad you've seen the light. I hope your dh doesn't rub it in too much 😂.

My dh has been clinging on to his wc labour roots for years now, bless him. Brought up to hate the tories etc. He's nothing like the liberal elite champagne socialists. He's a northern, ex army, traditional Labour voter iykwim.

Yes I think he’s just glad I’ve seen sense.

Yes I’m the same as your husband. Well, northern, wc, parents hated thatcher industry decimated milk snatcher etc etc etc. But eventually I realised things had moved on. I think it was seeing the Labour liberal elites and hypocrisy (in London especially), that changed my mind. I’ve not voted for years, no one to vote for. It’ll still be weird to tick the conservative box, but it’s time!!

Angela Rayner saved £40,000 in stamp duty on her new seaside flat after telling tax authorities it was her main home, The Telegraph can disclose.

The Deputy Prime Minister is understood to have removed her name from the deeds of her house in Greater Manchester a few weeks before buying an £800,000 seaside flat in Hove, East Sussex.

The changes enabled Ms Rayner to avoid paying £70,000 in stamp duty, which would have been applicable if Hove was her second home. Instead, she is thought to have paid £30,000 in stamp duty, saving her £40,000 in the process.

Let’s hope this is the beginning of the end for Ms Rayner….

The UK government did not do its own analysis of the cost of the biggest reorganisation of councils in England for decades, the BBC has learned.

Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner said "a significant amount of money" could be saved by merging councils in 21 areas into single authorities.

Rayner's department, the ministry of local government, based its cost estimates on a 2020 report commissioned by the County Council Network (CCN) that said £2.9bn could be saved over five years.

But the CCN has since revised its analysis and now says the reorganisation could make no savings and actually cost money in some scenarios.
Tim Oliver, chairman of the CCN, said local government reorganisation "could unlock billions in efficiency savings to be reinvested in frontline services", if it was delivered at the right scale.

Oliver said the CCN supported the government's reforms but added: "We are concerned over the potential costs of reorganisation where proposals seek to replace the two-tier system with multiple small unitary councils."

It just keeps coming….

It just keeps coming….
Serious experience in business leadership should be considered an absolutely mandatory prerequisite for senior political leadership.

Again and again, Labour seem to believe that because they're the self-declared 'good guys', anything they dream up must work. No concept of actually doing analysis, modelling possible outcomes, looking seriously at actual numbers to see what the outcome will be. It's as if the 22 year old intern had been put in charge of a ftse 100 company: all 'lived experience' and 'I believe..' rather than serious, results-based critical thinking.

They're completely economically clueless. I think they genuinely believe that the only reason Conservatives oppose their batshittery is becaise they're big meanies, who don't want people to have stuff. (some rarher unpleasant projection by Labour there!).

Her previous council house shenanigans were well before she went into politics, so Labour supporters always say it doesn't count.

But she did this whilst she was deputy prime minister and minister for housing, community and local government. Exactly the areas where she seems to have flouted at least the spirit of the laws she was explicitly in charge of.

It takes your breath away. I can't figure out whether she's incredibly stupid or unbelievably arrogant. Or whether she knows she'll be out soon, and is grabbing everything she can whilst she still can. Sickening, whatever the reason. And truly corrosive to our formerly high-trust society.

Good points Strawbs.

I subscribe to the greedy and thick hypothesis.

The drum beats are growing louder for this wretched excuse for a government. Now all we need is a good result re Epping later, and it will have capped a torrid week for Labour.

The weeks just get more torrid don't they?

They really do, darling.

I rather think the November budget may deliver the coup de grace….

If Torsten twatface has anything to do with it.
The problem they've got is that they are now toxic. To everyone.
Everything they do will be either too left wing/too right wing. It's glorious

Welfare payments are on course to cost individual taxpayers £3,000 a year by the end of the decade as Britain’s benefits system becomes “unsustainable”, a think tank has warned.

Soaring inflation and rising benefits claims means the size of the welfare state will grow by a fifth by 2030, according to a report by Onward.

The think tank said that government spending had become “uncontrollable” because a large number of welfare payments, including universal credit and personal independence payment (PIP), are uprated in line with inflation.
It means the welfare state is on course to cost individual Britons £3,000 a year by 2030, up from £2,650 currently.

The findings will ramp up pressure on Rachel Reeves who is plotting further tax rises at her autumn Budget to fix a black hole in the country’s finances.

A black hole that she made even larger.

They went on and on about the £22bn black hole that they supposedly inherited from the last government. Now it’s grown to over £50bn and I notice they’re suddenly not talking about it anymore.

Fears are growing in the City of London that chancellor Rachel Reeves will target banks to help shore up the UK’s public finances, despite executives warning a tax raid on lenders would damage the government’s growth agenda.

A surcharge on the sector’s profits or even a new bank levy is seen as a possible way to help fill a fiscal hole estimated by economists to be at least £20bn. “Politically it is an easy target,” said one senior banker. “No one likes banks, they are seen as a whipping boy for the government.”

Another City figure said: “We aren’t stupid. There’s a bunch of Labour MPs, including Angela Rayner, who are looking for ways to get more money. Financial services are an obvious target.”

FT