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Help with ds ehcp again/amended ehcp

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Imagoodperson999 · 06/08/2025 12:25

So the LA have made changes to ds ehcp. They are not clear to me . I don't get it and i don't even know if it makes a difference. And i can't see if it helps with choosing a secondary school.

Anyway im going to copy and paste the new ehcp just section F on this post. Then im going to find the older section F and post that on my 2nd post.

I was hoping someone can help me compare them. Please bare in mind that I have learning difficulties as well . So things that seem clear to others may not be to me.

So from amended EHCP section F

(F) Special Educational Provision above quality first teaching.
Provision

· Max will join a speech and language group run by the speech and language therapist for a block of therapy to work on language, speech and communication skills. Outcomes and recommendations should also be implemented by school.
· Lego therapy would be a good way to help Max in his communication with peers in a structured session. This builds on his love of Lego.

Strategies

Max needs an appropriately differentiated curriculum. Present and give information at a language level he can understand. For example:
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· Break down instructions into small, manageable parts or chunks.
· Before giving instructions to Max, call his name, and make sure you have his full attention and that he is looking at you.
· Model/demonstrate what Max has to do before he starts a task.
· Use short, simple instructions, and slow down when talking to Max. Try to break down instructions into short, manageable chunks (rather than “Do x, then do y”, just give one part at a time).
· Allow processing time. Then repeat instructions to Max if needed, making sure you repeat the instruction the same each time
· Use visual support (e.g. natural gesture, facial expression, pictures, symbols, written word) alongside instructions and conversations.

Vocabulary
· Develop a basic communication board with the words he needs to ask for items in class, e.g. pencil sharpener, rubber, toilet, drink, help, finished, break. Have it on the desk and point to it when communicating with Max to encourage him to use it too.

· Pre-teach key or topic vocabulary before Max comes across the words in the lesson.
· Use a consistent structure to explore word meanings and sounds. Think about the first sound of the word, how many syllables, a word it rhymes with, an action for the word, a picture or drawing for the word, use it in a sentence, and give some information about its meaning. For example, a mind map or “Word Wizard” (Word Aware programme).
· When Max has difficulties retrieving a word, prompt him using these categories that he has already covered, e.g. give him the first sound of the word, or ask him to act it out.
· Review the words that have been provided by putting them in a “word pot” or “word bank” on Max’s table, on a word wall in the classroom, or in a vocabulary book.
· Where possible present vocabulary to Max using a multi- sensory approach. Using pictures, symbols, demonstrations.
· Have Max think about words in categories. Play word association games in a small group (e.g. each person has to name something that relates to cars or has to identify the ‘odd one out’ for a list of three).
· Encourage Max to say when he does not understand a word. He can tell the teaching assistant, who can note the word down. Max can collect words that he has ‘captured’ to help expand his vocabulary knowledge.

Asking for help
· Encourage Max to ask for help if he does not know what to do. Max could be provided with a visual to help him know how to make specific requests for help. Encourage and praise asking for help in the whole class.

Access to small group work to practise Max’s social communication and conversation skills.
· Encourage small group work or naturally occurring small groups when possible in lessons, or in the playground of no more than 3 children in a group, where Max has to engage with his peers to complete the task, e.g. with opportunities to engage in “role specific” play, for example Lego Therapy, where children are either an “architect”, “engineer” or “builder”. The use of roles encourages children to interact with each other to achieve a shared goal.
· Play games at home that encourage interaction such as passing on objects, exploring together, snap or lotto.
· Give Max visual cues of good conversational skills and refer to them during 1:1 conversation, e.g. “eye contact”, or “talk about the same thing”, asking a question, saying something about what the person he is talking with has said, taking turns in conversation.
· Talkabout” or a social skills intervention may be helpful.
13 / 18
· Play games or activities which develop Max’s abilities to stay on topic during conversation, e.g. category games where you take it in turns to pick an object in the same category.
· Give Max a visual prompt you can use to show him when he goes “off topic” when answering a question. For example, a picture of a train and a track. The train can move along the track whilst you are talking or playing a game, and when Max gives an irrelevant answer or goes off topic, use the visual support to take the train off the track.
· For Max to use visual support (e.g. a narrative or talking prompt) to help him structure his news clearly e.g. to explain what he has done at the weekend or in the holidays. A talking prompt could also be used in talk partner work in class to help Max talk with a peer about a question the class is discussing

Beginning to develop Max’s explaining skills

· Read lots of stories with Max – these can be both with or without visuals and ask him questions based on the story after this, such as ‘who’ ‘what happened’ ’where’ ‘how’ and ‘what can the characters do? what is going to happen next?’ and ‘why’.
· Encourage Max to expand on his answers in conversation, by using open-ended questions, such as “tell me more”, or by giving him more time to add information.
· Use sets of pictures of familiar sequences (e.g. getting ready for school, growing a flower): put the pictures in order and talk about what happens ‘first, next, last’. Support Max work towards using this structure and vocabulary to talk about real events or to share his news and ask him what he thinks might happen next in the story.
· Try using visual support such as Black sheep press ‘Why, because’ cards to help Max explain his reasoning when answering simple ‘why?’ questions.
· Discuss different real-life scenarios using pictures and objects in a 1:1 or small group setting. Think about what might happen, why and what if. Max may benefit from structured intervention to target this, for example “Mr Goodguess” or Talkabout School/Home ( Black Sheep Press resources).
· School will give Max a piece of work/picture/item to take home to talk about with his Mum. This will help Max to generate ideas and remember an event in school.

Speech
· Provide Max with clear production of words he finds it hard to say, ensuring that he is able to see the mouth of the speaker to help him produce the sounds correctly and with slight emphasis on the word e.g. “I want soo” yes “you want two”. Can you hear that ”t” sound? Praise Max if he tries to copy the correct production or correct himself.

Arrangements for review and evaluation

Max can be re-referred to the Speech & Language service for review once these outcomes have been achieved.

Old section F will be added to my 2nd post

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Thegladstonebag · 08/08/2025 15:21

AmberKoala · 08/08/2025 15:16

In mainstream very unusual to get 1:1. They do not fund it.

That depends completely on the needs identified in the professional reports used to write the EHCP. They provide the evidence of what’s needed. In some cases, the EHCP can specify 1 to 1 support for certain aspects of the curriculum and not others depending on needs.

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 15:23

VintageJewellery · 08/08/2025 15:10

It's good that you are starting early. It gives you time to let the process work its way through, and you can visit schools and talk to them when it becomes possible.

I have to have my choices in by 19th September.

As this rate i feel like im going to end up putting down one of the mainstream and hoping for the best and taking ds out if things go wrong.

At the end of the day his ehcp does not say he needs SEN school and I feel like when they do another review in year 6. They will just write it to suit their agenda that what I feel like they are doing now . And I feel like it will just go over my head or be to much and I won't be able to fight it.

I feel like i want to cry and just back off because it feels to much and I don't think professionals even care I feel like I'm fighting them. I feel very suspicious about SENDIAS and the LA

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Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 15:30

flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 14:58

OP is still going through the review process. She has the proposed amendments following the annual review meeting (the meeting is just one part of the annual review process). She now gets the chance to respond to the proposed amendments.

The EHCP should be updated when necessary even if it isn’t a phase transfer review.

Even if the content of the EHCP needs updating, technically the phase transfer review should be held in the autumn term of Y6 because it should be held within 12 months of the transfer but needs to be held early enough in Y6 to be finalised by Feb 15th at the latest.

Some LAs hold phase transfer reviews in Y5, but it should really be in the autumn term of Y6.

It is just another way LAs act unlawfully.

Personally, I wouldn’t rely on the LA or SENDIASS for advice.

Regarding sendias and LA. Im thinking that to now.

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flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 15:36

AmberKoala · 08/08/2025 15:16

In mainstream very unusual to get 1:1. They do not fund it.

1:1 (for some of the time or full-time) can included in F. It can be funded. LAs telling people it can’t be is another myth they like to perpetuate.

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 16:21

flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 15:36

1:1 (for some of the time or full-time) can included in F. It can be funded. LAs telling people it can’t be is another myth they like to perpetuate.

Ds doesn't have a 121 . But a ta sits next to him through all core subjects. Thats not going to hapoen in secondary sadly.

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VintageJewellery · 08/08/2025 16:28

What do you hope your son might so when he is older? I mean, do you think he could have a job doing gardening or something like that?

I'm just thinking that if you had an idea of where you would like him to get to, them maybe that would help with figuring out how to get him there.

VintageJewellery · 08/08/2025 16:57

I wonder if you think it might be better for him to aim for functional skills exams rather than GCSEs? Functional skills exams are a lot easier and you can do the exams any time of the year from home, with webcam invigilation.

If that was a good option for him to attempt at some point in the future, then it might be worth trying to find out which schools near you can offer that.

That might mean looking for a school a bit like this one:
https://www.papworthhallschool.co.uk/our-approach/curriculum/

Education - Papworth Hall School

Papworth Hall School has a strong curriculum with emphasis on providing all pupils with a range of opportunities to develop both academically and personally.

https://www.papworthhallschool.co.uk/our-approach/curriculum/

flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 17:27

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 16:21

Ds doesn't have a 121 . But a ta sits next to him through all core subjects. Thats not going to hapoen in secondary sadly.

It could happen, but it would need to be detailed, specified and quantified in F.

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 17:32

VintageJewellery · 08/08/2025 16:28

What do you hope your son might so when he is older? I mean, do you think he could have a job doing gardening or something like that?

I'm just thinking that if you had an idea of where you would like him to get to, them maybe that would help with figuring out how to get him there.

I'm not even thinking that far ahead. I don't knkw how things will be for him

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Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 17:36

VintageJewellery · 08/08/2025 16:57

I wonder if you think it might be better for him to aim for functional skills exams rather than GCSEs? Functional skills exams are a lot easier and you can do the exams any time of the year from home, with webcam invigilation.

If that was a good option for him to attempt at some point in the future, then it might be worth trying to find out which schools near you can offer that.

That might mean looking for a school a bit like this one:
https://www.papworthhallschool.co.uk/our-approach/curriculum/

I really don't know at this stage. Hes working at year 1 level. So I find it really hard to even think about that now.

I just want him to be happy at school

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Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 17:36

flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 17:27

It could happen, but it would need to be detailed, specified and quantified in F.

Yeah cant see LA doing that sadly

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Jamfirstest · 08/08/2025 17:37

@Imagoodperson999In the original F it says max requires support over and above what is available in a mainstream classroom. In the new F that section is missing.

flawlessflipper · 08/08/2025 17:39

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 17:36

Yeah cant see LA doing that sadly

If it is required but the LA finalise without including it in F, you can appeal.

Jamfirstest · 08/08/2025 17:42

Also the old F states he needs an LSA which I assume is Learning Support Assistant. The new one does not mention this.

Imagoodperson999 · 08/08/2025 17:42

Jamfirstest · 08/08/2025 17:37

@Imagoodperson999In the original F it says max requires support over and above what is available in a mainstream classroom. In the new F that section is missing.

I already feel like they are lying to me . I must remember to get a paper copy tomorrow. Im going to get some heigh lighters and try pic out all the things they have removed or changed and write notes.

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Imagoodperson999 · 09/08/2025 10:11

I just got some printing paper heigh lighters and ink. Im going to print off both ehcp and heigh light all the issues. My eyes are blury so I can't do it just yet.

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Tippexy · 09/08/2025 10:51

Jamfirstest · 08/08/2025 17:37

@Imagoodperson999In the original F it says max requires support over and above what is available in a mainstream classroom. In the new F that section is missing.

It was a redundant phrase - by virtue of there being an EHCP, a child needs support that is over and above what is typically provided.

Tippexy · 09/08/2025 10:59

Imagoodperson999 · 07/08/2025 21:08

There's no way he needs less help hes working at year 1 level about to go into year 6. He doesn't do any work unless someone is sitting with him.

This also would point to the likelihood that you boy has diagnosed MLD - moderate learning difficulties.

In the SEN Code of Practice, MLD means moderate learning difficulties.

I wonder if an EHCP plan-writer has misinterpreted the acronym and said it stands for ‘moderate language disorder,’ which isn’t really a known term. This wouldn’t be unheard of, sadly.

I really think you need to go back to the original assessment reports and see where ‘MLD’ came from - which professional originally wrote/diagnosed it, and in what context.

If your boy has MLD as understood in the Code of Practice then, combined with his communication needs, this could have a significant impact on which secondary school is best suited for him.

Imagoodperson999 · 09/08/2025 11:08

Tippexy · 09/08/2025 10:59

This also would point to the likelihood that you boy has diagnosed MLD - moderate learning difficulties.

In the SEN Code of Practice, MLD means moderate learning difficulties.

I wonder if an EHCP plan-writer has misinterpreted the acronym and said it stands for ‘moderate language disorder,’ which isn’t really a known term. This wouldn’t be unheard of, sadly.

I really think you need to go back to the original assessment reports and see where ‘MLD’ came from - which professional originally wrote/diagnosed it, and in what context.

If your boy has MLD as understood in the Code of Practice then, combined with his communication needs, this could have a significant impact on which secondary school is best suited for him.

Thank you. Am I likely to find any diagnosrse of moderate learning difficulties in the educational phycologist report ?

Some of the things they say on the report does link with a language disorder though.

Im still going to hunt it down though because what you ssy makes sense to.

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flawlessflipper · 09/08/2025 11:13

Moderate language disorder isn’t used so much now, but it was used more often in the past.

Tippexy · 09/08/2025 11:30

flawlessflipper · 09/08/2025 11:13

Moderate language disorder isn’t used so much now, but it was used more often in the past.

Yes, but his plan was only written three years ago!

Yes, @Imagoodperson999 that would be a sensible place to start 😊

Imagoodperson999 · 09/08/2025 11:31

flawlessflipper · 09/08/2025 11:13

Moderate language disorder isn’t used so much now, but it was used more often in the past.

So it could be a language disorder and not moderate learning difficulties its hust they used the wrong term.

But I personally do think he may have moderate learning difficulties considering the level he is at . But I have never been told he does. I don't know how to request that's looked into though

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flawlessflipper · 09/08/2025 11:35

Even 3 years ago it was more commonly used than it is now. For example, this document from Sheffield Children’s Hospital in 2022 uses this phrasing. (To clarify, the link is from the hospital, the document itself from the LA.)

Plus there may have been some older evidence used. Or some older evidence summarised in more recent evidence.

I am not saying DS doesn’t have moderate learning difficulties. I am saying the use of moderate language disorder may not be incorrect.

Imagoodperson999 · 09/08/2025 11:47

flawlessflipper · 09/08/2025 11:35

Even 3 years ago it was more commonly used than it is now. For example, this document from Sheffield Children’s Hospital in 2022 uses this phrasing. (To clarify, the link is from the hospital, the document itself from the LA.)

Plus there may have been some older evidence used. Or some older evidence summarised in more recent evidence.

I am not saying DS doesn’t have moderate learning difficulties. I am saying the use of moderate language disorder may not be incorrect.

Edited

See im also thinking it may be correct. Because they speak about it in the ehcp . So I may be hunting for something that's not there.

I would like moderate learning difficulties to be looked into though.

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Imagoodperson999 · 09/08/2025 21:59

I have managed to print of both ehcp the original and the proposed..

I have some heigh lighters. But im not sure how to do it. Do I just heigh light the bits I'm not happy with and write a note saying why ?

Or do I heigh light it by showing the bits they have changed that they said they haven't.

I also feel like they are changing wording/altering so his needs look less so that its more likely mainstream will say yes to saying they can reach his needs. Is there anywsy i can say that withiut coming across like im accusing them.

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