Is there a serial killer in the UK?

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I don't know what to think. It is social media, after all. But . . .

I've seen quite a few TikTok videos recently, all listing a large number of female deaths, all being found in or near a body of water (river, canal, lake). And all ruled as "not suspicious" by the police, even before toxicology reports have been released (if they are even released).

The first video I saw listed 14 women over a period of 30 months, but some comments were saying that there have been other deaths which haven't been reported on. Other videos mention different women.

These deaths are over the country, leading to speculation that it could be a lorry driver.

Does it seem likely, or is this the latest SM scare?

You lost me as soon as you said Tiktok

I imagine there's a fair number of serial killers in the UK. Just haven't been caught (yet).

There was a spate of river deaths in Glasgow years ago (both male and female). I vaguely knew one of the women, was related to a friend. There was speculation when these things happen about whether another hand was involved in their deaths but that seems to be the norm anywhere whenever such things happen.

Do they? Rivers? Statistically how many?

My Dad killed himself when I was 18, cause of death - drowning. He did jump from a 400ft cliff in Penzance though to ensure he got it done.

I don't know about this most recent case, timings are odd, purchases odd.

I do believe Nicola Bulley was an accident and that she was done a huge disservice by having her mental state revealed before.

I do believe Nicola Bulley was an accident and that she was done a huge disservice by having her mental state revealed before.

But that's because so many didn't want to accept it wasn't murder

If there's a danger of a serial killer of course the police would warn folk. Look at the Yorkshire Ripper.

Around 5% of female suicides are drowning. A small proportion but not nothing, more than one a week I believe

She wasn't fired because it's a stupid theory with no basis in reality. She was fired for sharing police documents with external parties. Which makes her stupid. But not necessarily wrong. I came across her report via a long read in The Times a few years ago, and it's compelling.

Why would that be your question?

The majority of people posting ‘theories’ on tiktok are doing it to earn money from views. They don’t care that they are monetising people’s grief. That people like Nicola Bulley’s husband is branded an abuser and murderer because Stacey from Preston thinks his eyes are too close together.

The issue we should be talking about is the fact many of these woman are of peri and menopause age. How many women are devastated by the impact of hormonal changes no one has warned them about?
Changes they are told are natural so don’t make a fuss, whilst slowly going mad on the inside.

I would never have believed peri menopause could devastate my life to the extent it did and I was one of the lucky ones who had a dr who listened and took me seriously when I reached a point where I felt I couldn’t go on living with the new brain peri gave me.

It’s a second puberty with the added pressure of family care, aging parents, career pressure and a dawning sense of life being finite.
And we are supposed to just nod and smile and never make a fuss. That’s the conspiracy I want talked about.

No but I tell you the silent deadly killer is lack of mental health services.

Maybe not deliberately covering it up but do you seriously believe they wouldn’t keep their suspicions quiet until they arrested someone?

who would it help for the police to announce we think there’s a serial killer doing this but we have no idea who they are? It would create widespread panic and allow the killer to hide, it wouldn’t be in the public interest to let us know.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2023#suicide-methods

here are some statistics. It’s not the most common method but it’s definitely not unheard of. Also it might be the one to choose if you want to kill yourself outside your home because you don’t want family to find you and you’re also not subjecting someone else to having to live with running you over. In the middle of the night, traffic options are likely to be limited.

Since when have you known the police tell the public that someone who was murdered died in non-suspicious circumstances? They will say if it’s a murder inquiry. They might not say who they suspect but they don’t tend to pretend it wasn’t murder.

Exactly.

And yet the police say there’s no basis to it. People are desperate to find serial killers where there aren’t any (just violent cowardly husbands) yet where there is a serial killer, ie Lucy Letby, people fall over themselves to say that she’s innocent and all the babies died of natural causes. Very confusing.

We all speculate on here. It's something to do. Social media is however a fish wife toxic soup of speculation.

I'm really disturbed by how people think, how people reflect their thoughts on SM and then zombie like, influence each other. Maybe there's a serial killer. It's most likely the Police know more than we're being told.

I'm done with people getting carried away on SMedia and coming up with silliness that then impacts all these people affected and still trying to live a life.

I don't blame you OP. This is more a general rant. It's unlikely at this time it's what you think. Yet, I'm well aware we have very many wronguns out there. Serial killer at this point, I'm not convinced.

Men are most at risk of drowning in rivers and waterways - about 85% of drownings are men.

Most drownings, regardless of sex, are accidental, where the person did not intend to enter the water. Think dog walkers and runners slipping, people getting caught out by tides. Recreational drownings - like paddle boarders and swimmers - and reckless drownings - people jumping off bridges - make up a smaller proportion of deaths.

Women are more likely to choose drowning as a method to end their own lives, than men, and in 2024 alone, it's estimated that 60 women chose open water as the place to end their life.

I think putting it all this together makes a water-based serial killer of women unlikely.

How would it not be in the publics interest to warn them about a potential serial killer so they could take steps to protect their safety? They also likely want the public to know to report anything suspicious they may have seen.

@TheBuffetInspector hugs to you my lovely ❤️. My dad also took his life when I was a teenager.

Because "thirty women have died this way, they must have been murdered" is a completely different story from ones which start "seventy men have died this way" or "a hundred people have died this way".

One suggests that women may be being targeted; the other two do not.

How many were rivers and how many were at sea?

Watching with interest

Apparently men who are drunk will fall in when weeing into the river. Syncope something. Dizziness when weeing.

Yes of course plus they’d look like dicks if they said it was not suspicious and then arrested someone for murder. Did the police say that Sarah Everard died of natural causes? No of course not. They said she was murdered and then later arrested her killer.

I don't believe it is a serial killer at all.

Since Harold Shipman we have only had one person responsible for mass deaths that were preventable, by his inaction, a man who has never faced justice and is still at large today.

Boris Johnson.