Is there a serial killer in the UK?

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I don't know what to think. It is social media, after all. But . . .

I've seen quite a few TikTok videos recently, all listing a large number of female deaths, all being found in or near a body of water (river, canal, lake). And all ruled as "not suspicious" by the police, even before toxicology reports have been released (if they are even released).

The first video I saw listed 14 women over a period of 30 months, but some comments were saying that there have been other deaths which haven't been reported on. Other videos mention different women.

These deaths are over the country, leading to speculation that it could be a lorry driver.

Does it seem likely, or is this the latest SM scare?

They don’t want to cause mass panic to the UK.

I don't think it would cause mass panic though. Someone pushing people into water is very different to Jeffrey Dahmer.

I’m not on TikTok so haven’t seen this but I did see Laura Richards (Former New Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) hint this may the case on an instagram post. I respect her work around violence against women and girls enormously and she’s seldom wrong so I think this is very possible.

When you say narrowing it down which deaths are you refering to? Do you know of some common factor that links certain of the accidental deaths making them suspicious? Do cororners around the country know about it?

I work in an emergency department. We have a canal and a river locally and it’s not uncommon to have women attend who have jumped in as a suicidal attempt/ self harm incident. Most incidents are not fatal but occasionally it is. The vast majority of these incidents wouldn’t make the news if the woman wasn’t missing beforehand.

You think there’s a serial killer whose killing-zone spans the whole country?

So odd that the police commissioner said that there were multiple bodies when only one has been found. She's apologised for the misinformation now 😣

I'm not convinced Sarah Everard was Wayne Couzens,first victim
It seems very odd to me that he went from indecent exposure to the violent murder within a few days
I think he's possibly killed more and we just don't know about them

It's very likely there are active serial killers anywhere in the world.

That doesn't mean someone is pushing people into rivers. It's not a very effective way of murdering someone as there are so many variables.

Having known numerous people who have killed themselves and having been suicidal at times myself, it usually isn't logical to anyone but the person. And often includes alcohol and drug use/abuse which impairs decision making and increases impulsively.

And living near a river which i frequently walk along, there are numerous spots where it would be easy to accidentally fall in.

The problem these days is people, influenced by SM immediately leap to an outlandish theory rather than the most obvious one.

Nicola Bulley and Jay Slater in the last few years have shown us that.

If I remember correctly it wasn't just a period of a few days, I think it came out that there was some previous history. It certainly would have been strange if that was the case

I agree.

I doubt he committed a murder that we're not aware of but he was very likely engaging in indecent exposure, following/watching women, nicking underwear, public masturbation etc but those things are often not reported as either not seen, or possibly seen but people aren't sure so they don't report or they see but don't report because they don't think the police will be able to do anything.

Years ago I was in a queue for a bus and a man seemed to me to be very obviously having a walk in his trousers. Lots of people in the queue were looking horrified and moving away but no-one said anything and when I reported it to the Police, they hadn't had any other reports about that incident.

I later saw someone who was likely to have been that person convicted in my city and given a sexual harm prevention order which included that he wasn't allowed to wear jogging bottoms in public or make holes in his pockets so he seemed to be a prolific offender but I'd imagine out of hundreds of witnesses/victims, only a few reported.

Not only is SM full of scaremongering shit, but this doesn’t even make sense.

A killer who pushes women into rivers and lakes? Most victims would survive and would tell the police about the attempt and identify the man (it’d presumably be a man). He’d be tracked down very quickly.

I suppose he could be dressed as a scary clown or go about in a gimp suit or something. But that tends to attract attention and scare people away. What we’re really after is a normal looking bogeyman with an intimate knowledge of all Britain’s waterways and a lot of patience. 🙄

Why would they hush it up? They're quite open when there's someone dangerous out there.

I remember the M25 rapist, he struck in my town, but his attacks were all over the papers.

The gimp man (can't think what else to call him, the guy who used to terrorise people dressed in a gimp suit) was widely reported.

If the police think there is someone dangerous out there specifically targeting women they'd say something.

Remember what TikTok detectives did during the Nicola Bulley hunt, or the fact that social media detectives meant that Kate Middleton had to announce her cancer to the world.

Exactly.

If you want to murder people, pushing someone into a river where they a) might not go into the river at all so tell the Police someone tried to push them in or b) get pushed in, don't die and get rescued and tell the Police someone pushed them in and c) CCTV along rivers or nearby so people are caught on camera.

It's just not very effective. Maybe you'd get away with it once? But multiple times?

Nah.

But it's shouting into the void to challenge it.

A lot of people in the world, especially in SM are just desperate for an outlandish reason rather than the more obvious and likely one.

Nicola Bulley - walking dog by a river, seen entering the area of the river but not leaving. To me, I thought 'well, she's gone into the river?'' For whatever reason, deliberately or accidentally.

But no, SM including MN went into overdrive with theories of murder, kidnap, adultery, spousal abuse etc. Then some dickhead river 'expert' selling a book got involved saying he'd covered the area and she definitely wasn't there. Then she in fact was, and he backtracked and said he'd told the Police she probably was there. Meanwhile, SM warriors were breaking into outbuildings, accusing the Police of a cover-up, her family of abuse and even stating that she'd been killed and dumped in the river days after her disappearance.

Jay Slater - lad on holiday got pissed up and took multiple drugs, went with people after a party to do more drugs then phoned his friends with a phone battery running out still drunk and on drugs saying he was going to walk miles in the heat with no water and no 'phone.

To me - well he's died hasn't he? From heat exhaustion, exposure, falling from something or whatever else is likely to happen with a drunk, drugged person in a hot, unfamiliar area.

SM including MN - murder! He was a drug-trafficker, he's been kidnapped by a cartel! Etc etc.

People lack common sense, are desperate for conspiracy and true crime and watch shit on YouTube and tiktok that promotes that.

That's what is worrying- that tiktok and youtubers think there's some kind of cover-up

That's just SM paranoia.

They don't really have an answer when you ask them what the purpose of a cover-up would be? And just how many people would need to be involved in a cover-up that it's really not feasible.

I have in my working life, worked alongside the Police and other statutory agencies and the amount of gossip and misinformation that goes on is insane.

I was in a Police station in Bristol working on another matter when Christopher Jefferies was in custody and told by a random Police officer I was talking to that Joanna Yeates had discovered him, as her landlord, in her flat when he thought she was away and he'd murdered her.

Which was complete bollocks and Christopher Jefferies subsequently was compensated for his false arrest and there was a TV drama made about.

Anyone that thinks there are conspiracy theories going on that silence numerous Police officers are other public sector employees are really underestimating the human trait of gossip.

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I was in a Police station in Bristol working on another matter when Christopher Jefferies was in custody and told by a random Police officer I was talking to that Joanna Yeates had discovered him, as her landlord, in her flat when he thought she was away and he'd murdered her.
Which was complete bollocks and Christopher Jefferies subsequently was compensated for his false arrest

Yeah, but he had to be guilty, didn't he? he dressed funny and had a bad haircut.

He taught my children at school, and they didn't believe for a solitary moment that he had committed murder. The accusations, and the way the press wrote about him, made them quite indignant.

Robert Black is an exception to this rule. As a lorry driver he found victims close to his route but his route took him up and down the country and into Scotland. Likewise Peter Tobin.

The drownings being discussed on social media have all been marked close to motorways on a well known freight route. But it’s easy for armchair detectives to make these things fit a pattern even if in reality they don’t.

The only thing making me give this even the slightest bit of attention is Laura Richards (Crime Analyst) comment a few days ago. (I’ll post a screenshot). She is enormously respected and it’s literally her job to detect and analyse criminal patterns and behaviours.

Well yes, looked weird.

And from what the Police officer said to me thst day, the Police were assuming his weirdness and his status as JY landlord meant something...the Police at that stage seemed to be creating a narrative with no evidence at all, that what probably happened was he let himself into the flat to be weird and she caught him so he had to murder her to cover up his weirdness.

Which leaked to the media so obviously by Police officers.

So the fact the Police were thinking that, actually arrested the man and that theory was being completely inaccurately spread about the Police station and the media as gossip makes me very sceptical indeed that you can get a bunch of Police officers to engage in a cover-up of a serial killer.

Like I said before a) why? And b) how would the Police control all the gossip inside and outside the station?

The only thing making me give this even the slightest bit of attention is Laura Richards (Crime Analyst) comment a few days ago. (I’ll post a screenshot). She is enormously respected and it’s literally her job to detect and analyse criminal patterns and behaviours.

But it is unsettling that women who look
like normal in that they have everything together eg jobs, married with dc etc are feeling so awful that they choose this.

I don't know who laura is but presumably she has to still promote herself & her products.

A lot of people in the world, especially in SM are just desperate for an outlandish reason rather than the more obvious and likely one.

I think the interesting bit is why so many prefer the crazy killer option. For some it's self promotion but maybe others feel more comfortable with that scenario or like the drama.

I think a lot of people prefer the nebulous idea of a random stranger killing four or five women a year to the certainty that three women a week are killed by people they know well.

One is much further into "it won't ever happen to me" territory.

That's true.

I think that's exactly it.

Normal or obvious is boring. Outlandish, extreme and conspiracy theory provides the excitement that normal life doesn't provide.

Which ties into SM. People are looking for dopamine hits, positive or negative, it's still a dopamine hit.

People in the SM age struggle to just live life and enjoy it because it's boring

Posting her guesswork on Insta or wherever kinda undermines her credibility though

I don’t think someone with Laura Richards experience needs to worry about her credibility and your comment seriously misrepresents her post. There was no guess work. Sfe said the pattern feels unsettling which it does. Her job is literally to detect these patterns and she did this for Scotland Yard for years so I don’t think you can group her in with some amateur TikTok sleuth!

Never heard of her but if she has any serious insights should she not be sharing them with police via official channels not putting them out to all and sundry on social media?