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You think the British class system is a bit of a thing from the past, then you start looking into university’s and realise oh here it is, it’s still alive and kicking

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Ohhereiswhereitis · 17/07/2025 08:57

like it’s just become a bit more hidden

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Almostwelsh · 18/07/2025 22:01

researchers3 · 18/07/2025 20:24

Interesting. I didn't know that. But then do they have more private funding than most universities from donations perhaps? Coukd this be part of it?

Some of the colleges are very wealthy with substantial investments and property portfolios. Hence they can afford to offer bursaries to some poorer students and subsidise accommodation.

Dutchhouse14 · 18/07/2025 22:53

Absolutely agree, Russell group unis very middle class/private/grammar school pupils.
The old polytechnics or newer unis are a lot more diverse.
I've looked round a range of unis with 3 DC and definitely a snobby element to top unis.
However top uni doesnt necessarily mean good student support.
And, depending on career, employer often don't care which uni you went too.

PhelanSegur · 18/07/2025 23:08

Xenia · 18/07/2025 20:10

They do say clogs to clogs in 3 generations. There is some scope to change class in the UK. I would say my mother did - became a teacher whereas her grandmother was a miner's wife who had 11 children (10 survived - 2 up 2 down cottage and on the 1917 photo of them all once she had been widowed a 2nd time with a baby the 3 oldest girls including my granny were already away from home in service - one living ina priest house - housekeeper job, another with a local family and my granny was very adventurous and took herself off in 1921 to work as a nanny (having masses of younger siblings means you can be quite good with children) in India for a year.

One of my sons works in a warehouse (happily so, never used his degree )

I am more interested in new graduates first jobs as my twins are in their 20s and at that stage, than university at this point and what happens to people say 10 years after university not just one year and why we all end up as we do.

It is a very interesting topic. The UK has never been as popular nor had as many people coming to it so we must be doing a vast number of things right to be one of the top places where people want to be I suppose.

In my profession, law, a lot of effort is made to help increase numbers of women partners, help the 12% of the UK which is not white to get jobs etc - obviously without breaching the Equality Act 2010. I do remember my white blonde son looking at some photos from law firm websites and firm after firm on recruitment sites we saw had not one single white man - loads of black people, women in head scarves, white women but for some reason white men not featured (that is not true for all firms of course) and he said - looks like they don't want me.

Yes, white men are tragically disadvantaged.

Xenia · 19/07/2025 08:56

The bright white men will do just fine. even though 60% of new lawyers are women lots of them by choice or because they marry a man who earns more will not carrying on working 70 hour weeks so the good men who remain tend to do fine later on. I will start to weep for white boys when 80% of top earners in the UK are white females with men hardly getting a look in. The white working class boys from my native North East England have fewer chances than black boys in London in part because of the fact they are not near London. Yet in the 1800s some of my family deliberately moved to the Durham area because it was absolutely booming so I suppose areas come and go and people move.

As I am an optimist, I think once graduates get into the work place they tend to do fine if they work hard, don't slack and get on with people and are bright however they are and whatever their class (getting that first job was the biggest break of my career even now 40 years on. I had 25 interviews to get it). If they can't get on they can do what I did - I voted with my feet and set up on my own.

Xenia · 19/07/2025 08:57

(I don't agree that for mjost trades you need some innate ability and deterity most people do not have however as suggested above. You just have to learn the job)

lovemeblender · 19/07/2025 09:23

Xenia · 18/07/2025 20:10

They do say clogs to clogs in 3 generations. There is some scope to change class in the UK. I would say my mother did - became a teacher whereas her grandmother was a miner's wife who had 11 children (10 survived - 2 up 2 down cottage and on the 1917 photo of them all once she had been widowed a 2nd time with a baby the 3 oldest girls including my granny were already away from home in service - one living ina priest house - housekeeper job, another with a local family and my granny was very adventurous and took herself off in 1921 to work as a nanny (having masses of younger siblings means you can be quite good with children) in India for a year.

One of my sons works in a warehouse (happily so, never used his degree )

I am more interested in new graduates first jobs as my twins are in their 20s and at that stage, than university at this point and what happens to people say 10 years after university not just one year and why we all end up as we do.

It is a very interesting topic. The UK has never been as popular nor had as many people coming to it so we must be doing a vast number of things right to be one of the top places where people want to be I suppose.

In my profession, law, a lot of effort is made to help increase numbers of women partners, help the 12% of the UK which is not white to get jobs etc - obviously without breaching the Equality Act 2010. I do remember my white blonde son looking at some photos from law firm websites and firm after firm on recruitment sites we saw had not one single white man - loads of black people, women in head scarves, white women but for some reason white men not featured (that is not true for all firms of course) and he said - looks like they don't want me.

And, as you very well know, law is dominated by white men, particularly the further up you go. I'm sure your son will be fine.

dazzlingdeborahrose · 19/07/2025 10:12

To be fair to universities none of this is their fault. It’s a result of the introduction of fees and the abolition of the maintenance grant. For years entry to uni was based on ability. If you were good enough and smart enough you could go to university fully funded. Didn’t matter if you were the daughter of a duke or the son of a road sweeper. The country invested. Individual interviews meant an admissions tutor could take a’punt’ on a promising individual who might not get the grades required due to personal circumstances. To this day universities offer contextual offers based on a student background, school and other factors. There are programmes and summer schools that guarantee lower offers on successful completion. These are free.
i agree though that uni is harder for those from poorer backgrounds. They’re more likely to have to work alongside their study unlike wealthier counterparts. They’ll have fewer connections for work experience or internships.
so yes the british class system is alive and kicking but that’s not the fault of universities. It’s because successive governments no longer invest in the education of our young people.

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