Baby Victoria verdict is in

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Both found guilty of manslaughter.

Thank goodness.

Well it's clear I'm not but you seem to have very little empathy for victims of domestic abuse.

I have responded to this post..

‘I don’t understand how anyone can throw a woman out of a window and not be serving a very long sentence for attempted murder, assault and grievous bodily harm. Why wasn’t he in prison after this?

I responded that there was no evidence, and you are waffling on about him obstructing the ambulance.

how the hell can you possibly say that? You are arguing simply for the sake of arguing.

Given past behaviour of both partners, especially Mark Gordon and violent rape, then yes it would be questionable as to who threw her out of the window. There were neighbours who witnessed it and reported it.

How so?

You asked why he wasnt serving time for the attack on her. It has been set out to you why not

Its nothing to do with having empathy or not empathy for victims of DV, Im not answering that point because its ridiculous

When it was set out for you that there was no evidence of the attack on her you started talking about the obstruction of ambulances and the evidence for that, flitting from one thing to the other.

Are you serious? Victim support.

They did not see her literally being thrown of the window by him!!!! Maybe you should join the police since you seem to think you would be much better than the attending officers of that incident

Are you on the wine?

Oh I see, obviously I'm unhinged because I flit about from one thing to another. Why are you in victim support?

Definitely the wine!!

Im not engaging any more.

@soupyspoon don’t listen to this absolute drivel

Wtf. Her children wouldn’t have been at risk if he’d have been imprisoned. Which he should have been, for a long time, for that brutal attack. Horrendous.

No evidence though was there?!!!

Did they witness him push her or just her falling?
It may be obvious what has happened but if there is no proof and she won't accuse him the police/CPSs hands are tied. They can't arrest someone because they suspect he has done something they need tangible proof.

Thank you ❤️

Yes, I strongly suspect her arrogance and conceit will be routinely beaten out of her. She'll be reduced to a cowering shell.

I doubt it, she'll control lots of vulnerable women in there, shes a manipulator, entitled, probably PD, she'll act the victim and want special treatment, make accusations against others if she doesnt get her way, also against officers although she 'll probably try to manipulate them too

I don’t understand how you can say if he’d been imprisoned the children wouldn’t have been at risk.

Constance M showed no ability to put her children first. The video of the two if them in a cafe, wrapped in winter coats while the tiny baby wore only a baby grow says so much about her parenting skills with baby five

Yes it sounds like a totally toxic relationship where somehow they fed on each other's disordered thinking.

And for the avoidance of doubt of course I think anyone who pushes anyone (let alone a pregnant woman) out of a not ground floor window should be in prison but I don't think it more than I think due process, innocent until proven guilty, PACE and the right to a fair trial matter.
Unless we want Life on Mars policing with people coppers think are guilty being fitted up.

I presume that she refused to cooperate, insisted to police that she "fell" and there was not enough evidence to charge him

This.

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They didn’t arrest- bad! They did arrest- too forceful, they literally cannot win.

Yes she's been doing that since the start, it's all a bit odd.

From the Independent:
The family court judge also concluded an incident of domestic violence had taken place between the couple, but Marten insisted Gordon had been wrongly blamed for her falling from a window.
She later told detectives: “I had a fall from a window. There were no bruises on me, no signs of domestic violence, so how they came to that conclusion [was] quite phenomenal to be honest.”

A very different story to the one the neighbors told, and the injuries she allegedly suffered.

its quite sad really because it such a sensitive thread with really importance issues being raised ❤️