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Baby Victoria verdict is in

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LetsGoRoundAgainAgain · 14/07/2025 14:37

Both found guilty of manslaughter.

Thank goodness.

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Startyabastard · 14/07/2025 14:39

That's amazing news!!!!! It obviously does not bring the poor little baby back, but I'm so happy this was taken seriously

MidnightPatrol · 14/07/2025 14:40

Just a very sad story for all involved really.

I suspect she’s a bit of a victim here too.

tinyspiny · 14/07/2025 14:43

Great news and I disagree with the pp that she is also a victim , the only victim here is Victoria and the other children

AComplicatedWoman · 14/07/2025 14:44

Poor baby.

BriefHug · 14/07/2025 14:48

Just seeing the CCTV of that tiny, fragile baby in her onesie is heart wrenching. I suspect some properly distressing details about the previous trial will now be made public.

placemats · 14/07/2025 14:50

It's the only expected outcome because both defendents owed a duty of care to the deceased - baby Victoria and found negligent of doing that. Rightly so.

murasaki · 14/07/2025 14:53

They've been on remand for so long I can't imagine that their sentences will cover much going forward. Right result though. RIP Victoria.

itsgivingenglishteacher · 14/07/2025 14:53

MidnightPatrol · 14/07/2025 14:40

Just a very sad story for all involved really.

I suspect she’s a bit of a victim here too.

Struggling to feel any sympathy for her but I agree. In the news released today, the reason their other children were taken away from them
is because he threw her, pregnant, out of a window from 18ft up. And she stayed. Which would indicate serious mental health difficulties and/or coercive control.

murasaki · 14/07/2025 14:58

itsgivingenglishteacher · 14/07/2025 14:53

Struggling to feel any sympathy for her but I agree. In the news released today, the reason their other children were taken away from them
is because he threw her, pregnant, out of a window from 18ft up. And she stayed. Which would indicate serious mental health difficulties and/or coercive control.

Both, I think. There was certainly extreme paranoia re her family and 'the state' and I do think she was in thrall to him.

placemats · 14/07/2025 14:58

murasaki · 14/07/2025 14:53

They've been on remand for so long I can't imagine that their sentences will cover much going forward. Right result though. RIP Victoria.

Gross negligence manslaughter has an upward range of imprisonment of 18 years. I would expect the sentence not to run concurrent with their previous sentences. They are not on remand, but in prison serving sentences. Convicted of concealing a birth and perverting the course of justice.

murasaki · 14/07/2025 15:00

placemats · 14/07/2025 14:58

Gross negligence manslaughter has an upward range of imprisonment of 18 years. I would expect the sentence not to run concurrent with their previous sentences. They are not on remand, but in prison serving sentences. Convicted of concealing a birth and perverting the course of justice.

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Ah, ok, thanks.

DoubleShotEspresso · 14/07/2025 15:12

That poor, poor child-this is one of those haunting cases, this was the only outcome.
I pray for the other children who will one day discover what their biological parents did, hopefully their early escape has been to a loving family. 🙏

hellohellooo · 14/07/2025 15:16

The case sent shivers up my spine

Poor angel RIP

I believe that Constance was badly abused too and I do have a small bit of sympathy

She should have asked for help or listened when others tried to warn her about all the risks

My god what that baby went through

Withdjsns · 14/07/2025 15:19

This case has really stayed with me and reading what he did to Constance has just made it even sadder.

caramac04 · 14/07/2025 15:20

I am so pleased that their utter selfishness and stupidity has been acknowledged and their explanations for baby Victoria’s death have been seen through. Arrogance played a part too.
Let us hope their sentences reflect the severity of their neglect.

Areyouserioushuh · 14/07/2025 15:21

Child killers have no place on this earth!

Toddlerteaplease · 14/07/2025 15:23

Good. Such a tragic story that didn’t have to end that way. RIP Victoria.

MidnightPatrol · 14/07/2025 15:24

“Gordon was jailed for 40 years, serving half of that in the US before being deported back to the UK.

When he was sentenced for both attacks, the rape victim pleaded with a judge to never let him free saying: ‘I ask you to make sure that this man does not have the opportunity to destroy any more lives.
‘Someone who is capable of doing this, a cruel calculated act at this age is not going to get better. He is only going to do more harm in society.’

He hid his appalling criminal history from Marten when they met in 2016, keeping it secret until after they had a spiritual marriage in Peru and had their first child together.

It wasn't until he assaulted two police officers in hospital after Marten gave birth under a false name that she learnt he was a violent rapist considered at 'high risk' of reoffending.

Gordon later attacked Marten when she was pregnant with their third child, throwing her out of their flat window and sending her plunging 18ft to the ground, hitting a car on the way.

As she lay screaming in agony with a shattered spleen and internal bleeding, putting her life and her unborn child at risk, Gordon didn't call an ambulance and attempted to delay paramedics alerted by concerned neighbours.

Marten would spend the next eight days in hospital recovering from surgery, but Gordon demanded she should be discharged despite doctors warning this would put her life at risk.

The domestic abuse was the catalyst for a family court judge to rule their four older children should be taken into care for their own protection from a ‘violent sex offender’ whose actions had ‘put her life and the life of their unborn child at serious risk’.

Two years before the death of Victoria, District Judge Madeleine Reardon warned: ‘It is much more likely than not that in the foreseeable future the children will be exposed to serious physical violence between their parents.”

LemonTreeGrove · 14/07/2025 15:30

itsgivingenglishteacher · 14/07/2025 14:53

Struggling to feel any sympathy for her but I agree. In the news released today, the reason their other children were taken away from them
is because he threw her, pregnant, out of a window from 18ft up. And she stayed. Which would indicate serious mental health difficulties and/or coercive control.

😮I didn't know about that

Lunde · 14/07/2025 15:33

I'm shocked that CM was granted legal aid to cover her legal fees despite having a £2.4 million trust fund.

LemonTreeGrove · 14/07/2025 15:51

I remember when this case was first in the news, there were people posting that the UK has a reputation of removing children from parents far too easily. I don't agree. I think they are not removed enough and I don't think being from a country where children are left with abusive parents even more than the UK is anything to be proud of.

myplace · 14/07/2025 16:04

Such a shocking case. Surely she had some kind of mental health issue to be so vulnerable to his manipulation?

CalicoPusscat · 14/07/2025 16:06

It's harrowing isn't it; I have no idea what induced her to stay with him.

But at least the legal system didn't let Victoria down even if her parents did.

myplace · 14/07/2025 16:10

myplace · 14/07/2025 16:04

Such a shocking case. Surely she had some kind of mental health issue to be so vulnerable to his manipulation?

I take it back. Despite his violence, family court described her as the dominant personality. What an appalling couple.

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