Baby Victoria verdict is in

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Both found guilty of manslaughter.

Thank goodness.

Having read the DM article about their behaviour during the trial I don’t feel a once of sympathy for her. She’s a despicable waste of fresh air.

I disagree.
Money isn't necessarily relevant in the UK. We have services for this purpose. Leaving an abusive partner is the most dangerous time.
No one knows what her family would have done, welcomed back or otherwise.

How do you know she has full access to her trust fund at this present time?

She was receiving money from her trust fund throughout.

She's a really awful person - so manipulative and arrogant. He's obviously spawned from the bowels of hell, but I think she suffers from some sort of personality disorder.

Unfortunately, as it’s manslaughter they probably won’t get a very long sentence

I'm not sure how old she is but if they don't both get long sentences then presumably there is nothing to stop them getting together again when their out and another tiny baby being put in this situation.

Sobering thought.

Marten is 38 so getting towards the end of her fertility, so hopefully she will be too old to have any more babies (with anyone) by the time she is released.

What struck me was that she claimed to love the child but abandoned her body like literal rubbish. If they had one iota of feeling for that poor baby they'd at least have given her a decent burial,

She has at best another 10 years of fertility.

The BBC reporting is heartbreaking. They do sound like a perfect storm of two very confused, damaged people who managed to find each other , latch on to each other and are now in an obsessive relationship that is all consuming and excludes everyone else, including their children.

The real tragedy of course is that little baby whose brief life was full of suffering when she should have been loved , nurtured and safe and the other four children whose start in life has been chaotic and frightening and who will probably never come to terms with how their damaged parents have in turn damaged them.

RIP Victoria, not even granted the dignity of either a birthdate or the date of her death.

I've followed this case from the start and listened to all the podcasts last year. I always thought it was a case of coercive control but reading that Mail article she's clearly as bad as him.

What really interests me about her is whether behaviour like hers is the result of a mental illness or is she just totally deluded. Her behaviour sounds completely off the scale.
.it will be interesting to hear the sentencing reports.

The BBC report asked for and got access to some of the information about previous Family Court interventions with their older children. It is awful to read but gives more insight into the nature of the relationship between them. A true folie a deux.

They are both utterly disgusting. I can't believe she got legal aid. Poor baby Victoria, RIP. Hopefully, with a lot of support, the other children that were thankfully removed from them can build a happier life for themselves.

I cant believe people jumping to try to make a victim out of her.

She is fully culpable and while she might have been on the reciving end of violence from him on many occasions, she appears to have been the one in charge from what Ive read, overall, not just in relation to her children. I think its likely that he was in thrall to her, not the other way round.

They weren't withdrawing money because they were trying to go off grid with the baby. They had a load of cash that got burnt in the mysterious car fire

Thank god they didn’t, the police would never have found her. At some point in the future her siblings will know where she has now been buried and will be able to visit her grave and acknowledge her brief existence.

There is a belief on mumsnet and further abroad that when a woman is a victim of domestic abuse none of her actions are her responsibility and nothing she does can be genuinely her choice. Unfortunately life isn't like that. Women can be in relationships with hideous men and still choose them every time. Women can want to be with the hideous men. Women can protect the hideous men and fight anyone who gets in between them. This is truly a folie a deux situation for sure but I believe Constance would have been a dangerous and deluded woman whoever she was in a relationship with.

She wanted a large family. She is as damaged an individual as he is. Read the BBC report about the weird religious cult her mother took her to as a teenager , when she had already shown signs of instability. Her mother left her there.

There is a massive difference between if I know about women's aid I can possibly get a place in a shelter then if I'm lucky the council will place me and the kids in a B&B and on the housing list or I can go to Mum's but he will know to look for me there and I can check into a 5* hotel for a few months while I sort out buying a house for cash from my trust fund. CM had options that most women facing domestic violent couldn't even dream of.

Pathetic isn't it?

On MN it seems women can do anything and they will be defended despite a plethora of evidence except for being the other woman where they deserve to burn in hell no questions asked

They can both rot.

Absolutely the correct verdict
I will never accept that someone from such a privileged background as hers , and at such a young age , had no choice for life than to stay with a violent rapist .. at the cost of her children and the death of this baby
The untold damage to those 4 children , who knows what they have seen or heard
The entitlement .. how dare she complain about being cold and microwave food while she put that baby in a tent in winter and bought herself sweets
Vile peice of shit
I almost despise her more than him as she gave birth to those children and had access to money .. yet she put him first 🤬

I agree with what you're saying and I'm glad they found her too for the reasons you cite..

I think I meant my pp in the sense that, while it's hard to imagine myself in similar circumstances, if I was in some terrible situation (war, for example) and my beloved child died, I'd like to think I would try to give them a decent burial, not dump them like a piece of rubbish.

It's proof that far from loving Victoria as she claims, she couldn't have given less of a shit.

She needs to be locked up until menopause is confirmed and he needs to stay inside for good, should have never been released from the US imo.

This is a case of two very disturbing people that happened to meet, like the Wests and IB & MH, they just got caught sooner rather than later, but still too late for baby Victoria.