Baby Victoria verdict is in

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Both found guilty of manslaughter.

Thank goodness.

Her trust fund is what funded the thousands ££££ they spend taking taxis up and down Britain to evade police and social services (but didn't get a winter coat or hat for Victoria). Although I presume at the end, when she was wanted, the trustees stopped dishing out extra cash and the police were tracing her bank accounts.

I listened to a podcast of the trial a while back and found Marten to be unable to accept that any of their actions were wrong and sought to justify everything. Saying babies live in yurts in cold places so Victoria wasn’t at risk for example.
I wonder if she has a personality disorder because she came across as blaming family and social care for forcing their decision to go on the run.
Proves how utterly unsuitable she is to be a parent.
I blame her violent rapist husband too of course.

She has access to a trust fund and whilst in prison has to make applications for large amounts to be transferred to say solicitors and a barrister, which we know she chose not to do. Prisoners are not allowed cash and have a limited amount in their prison account to spend.

He is clearly an abusive, dangerous man.

However, if you read in more detail how she approached this legal case, what you'll find is signs of a highly manipulative, capable person playing a deliberate delay game with the courts, her legal team and the jury, as opposed to a vulnerable victim of his abuse.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for either of them. RIP baby Victoria, so sorry those who were supposed to love and protect you, failed you so horrendously. Her poor siblings too, unimaginable trauma to deal with one day, if they don't know the details yet.

Most probably she was, but she carried on having children withn him didnt she?

Poster was asking why she allowed her baby to live in deplorable conditions, assuming she didn't have access to the money then.

I hope they both get the maximum sentences possible. They are responsible for the death of that poor baby. If the authorities hadn't stepped in goodness knows what would have happened to the other children. I hope they have found stability and love elsewhere.

I'm not suggesting she wasn't a victim of shocking abuse or that other wealthy women aren't but unlike many victims she had the ability to start again. At any point she could have used her wealth, her connections to get away from him but she chose not to. When she faced a choice to leave him or lose her children she chose to lose her children. I'll reserve my sympathy for the women who are trapped because of a lack of options. Those who stay because they have nowhere to go.

She had loads of cash which apparently was lost in the fire of their car. She didn’t want to get cash from a machine or use her card to pay for stuff as her location would have been given away.
Couldn’t accept that they had no means whatsoever to care for Victoria. Ate food from bins. When caught he was asking for crisps because he was starving. No remorse for the death of Victoria.

She a disgusting individual the whole thing is horrific. She had every advantage and people trying to actively help her and her child.

Poor baby Victoria- the way she was left was subhuman.

I was terrified of social workers when pregnant with DD1/

I had an adult son then, but his father beat me so much, even unconscious regularity. I was a teenager when we first met and I suppose I was in 'thrall' of him.

He once broke my leg so badly (spiral fracture of the tibia), then dragged me inside his place when I was screaming.

The tibia never healed properly, causing severe ankle arthritis and hip problems, even after a fusion I still walk with a crutch - it took years for this to happen.

I left him finally when pregnant as the midwife saw bruises on me and said she'd have to inform SS if I stayed - my child came first.

Despite this I still had to allow him access to DS as he was not seen as violent to DS.

When DS was a teen he came round, hit DS, seriously sexually assaulted me, tried to strangle me, after saying all three of us would die that night. I pulled a knife on him and DS (luckily hid his mobile), phoned the police.

I went a bit mad afterwards and was diagnosed with bipolar and borderline personality disorder.

When I was pregnant with DD I was so scared that the BPD would mean should we be taken, but they never actually contacted me and the CMHT saw me as no threat to her and that she was actually a protective factor.

I'm so so sorry to hear of everything you went through. Your ex is a hideous piece of work.

Not an excuse as there is never an excuse for this, but sounds like amongst the privilege she had some fucked up experiences growing up, doesn't surprise me she didn't want to ask for support from her family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14850737/How-Constance-Marten-Mark-Gordon-tried-sabotage-trial-brazen-lies-ridiculous-excuses-vile-outbursts-costing-taxpayers-2-8m-process.html

I know the DM is verboten on MN but for a judge to say he's never been spoken to by someone the way Marten spoke to him is a hell of a comment.

She's going to have a hell of a time in prison.

The pair of them disgust me - that poor little girl. I just feel for the police officer that found her. I can't understand any mother that puts her partner before her children. RIP Victoria x

I saw that mentioned in the BBC article too

I was sure I'd read somewhere that drugs were involved (in that they were both taking them) but I can't see it reported anywhere so was that not the case or just speculation?

poor poor baby, only ever in a babygro

What stands out so much in the CCTV of them in the cafe is that they are all rugged up in thick winter coats and presumably many layers but their tiny, days old baby only had a babygro on. Not even a pram suit or a blanket.

She was doomed from the off, bless her.

he represented himself

The judge said he had never seen such behaviour as hers in all his years. She and Gordon were trying to sabotage proceedings by feigning illness, demanding certain clothes to wear at trial and giving everyone the run around. Shocking all round tbh.

i really hope the jail length is very long and uncomfortable

My god !!!

Adding additional insult to it all

Appalling

I did not see that reported

I think it was more speculated on due to their very erratic behaviour when arrested and in court the first time.