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Eating animals

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Bearsaloud · 10/07/2025 18:15

To me killing animals and keeping them the way we do should be illegal. And them queuing up to be killed in an abbatoir and scream on the way in. It's barbaric and medieval in my opinion. Eat something else!

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idrinkandiknowthings · 11/07/2025 13:57

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 10/07/2025 22:36

I read an article in national geographic that said plants communicate with each other.

and there have been a few pieces that have published findings that suggest that plants respond to stimuli that in animals would be called pain. they respond to getting cut, having bits trimmed off, being damaged etc. I think it was called destructive wounding. They don't have nervous system/ pain receptors like animals but there's a lot of evidence to suggest they have their own version of 'feeling' things that we would interpret as pain and reacting.

I remember watching an episode of Tales of the Unexpected where a bloke discovered that grass and plants screamed when they were cut.

Guess we just all need to stand outside and photosynthesise.

HostaCentral · 11/07/2025 15:40

Although the majority of land is either pasture or used to grow animal feed to feed the animals humans chose to eat. If we weren’t eating animals we wouldn’t need so much land cleared

Pasture isn't necessarily suitable for crops though. Animals living off pastures, grass fed, are the best you can have. The UK is uniquely suitable for grass fed meat and dairy.

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 15:48

HostaCentral · 11/07/2025 15:40

Although the majority of land is either pasture or used to grow animal feed to feed the animals humans chose to eat. If we weren’t eating animals we wouldn’t need so much land cleared

Pasture isn't necessarily suitable for crops though. Animals living off pastures, grass fed, are the best you can have. The UK is uniquely suitable for grass fed meat and dairy.

No the best I have is the graph posted upthread and the science and stats that show more land is used to feed animals than humans and eating animals is the worst thing we can do environmentally. It’s a well known fact.

hamstersarse · 11/07/2025 16:00

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 11:26

@hamstersarse
if you can spare the time why ‘don’t you’ read this article from cancer research

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2024/08/01/bacon-ham-hot-dogs-salami-how-does-processed-meat-cause-cancer-and-how-much-matters/

This is junk epidemiological science

I don’t even need science to tell me that vegans look universally ill

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 16:16

hamstersarse · 11/07/2025 16:00

This is junk epidemiological science

I don’t even need science to tell me that vegans look universally ill

Do you know them all ! because those pasty faced meat eaters aren’t looking great and suffering more long term illnesses. That’s science.

NaeRolls · 11/07/2025 16:21

Yes. From a philosophical perspective, it is clear that an ethical approach does not include exploiting and killing animals. Any honest ethical understanding can only lead to the conclusion that vegetarianism is the most, or even the only, ethical choice. And given the way animals are treated in order to give us dairy and eggs, we'd have to rule that out too. Ideally we'd be able to buy dairy and eggs from small farms that adhere strictly to humane treatment of the cows and chickens. But that is not the norm.

As humans we have the capacity for higher reasoning, compassion, and morality. We have alternatives to animal exploitation. We know the pain and suffering involved in what we put into our mouths every day. So, I argue that we live with a kind of cognitive dissonance - we have to ignore the horrific reality in order to continue on the way we do.

Watch any documentary on factory farming, or undercover videos taken by activists and journalists working undercover in factory farms, and you will be traumatised for life. The sounds and images will haunt you. It is like a horror movie, and is going on all the time, every day and we are complicit in the mass suffering of living beings.

Of course, we can extend this to other industries - diamonds, fast fashion, the cocoa industry that uses child labour. It becomes overwhelming. You can also argue that living in a completely ethical way by avoiding every unethical brand is only possible for the wealthy and privileged. Poorer people are just trying to survive, themselves. Animal protein is everywhere and is nutrient-dense. I honestly don't know what the answer is.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 11/07/2025 16:26

hamstersarse · 11/07/2025 16:00

This is junk epidemiological science

I don’t even need science to tell me that vegans look universally ill

Anyone can have a poor diet though. The vegans i know look fine and are perfectly healthy.

foreverand · 11/07/2025 16:27

everybody should be watch the documentary Dominion. It’s free of charge on YouTube.

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 17:15

hamstersarse · 11/07/2025 16:00

This is junk epidemiological science

I don’t even need science to tell me that vegans look universally ill

do you have the same opinion regarding sun exposure, smoking and asbestos?

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:44

XenoBitch · 10/07/2025 20:06

I think name calling and emotive language does not get people onto your side.
I can't stand any sort of preaching. The vegans I know do not preach.

I eat meat because I like it. I like the taste and texture. No alternatives have come close.

you're clearly missing the point.
i'm not name calling and using emotive language
i quoted someone else.
i liked the taste too and thats where the we differ. I can't bear the suffering involved for me to have a meal. Me - no one else. I don't want people on 'my side' as such. I'm bro trying to convert anyone. I am just stating how I feel and what I believe

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:45

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:44

you're clearly missing the point.
i'm not name calling and using emotive language
i quoted someone else.
i liked the taste too and thats where the we differ. I can't bear the suffering involved for me to have a meal. Me - no one else. I don't want people on 'my side' as such. I'm bro trying to convert anyone. I am just stating how I feel and what I believe

*not trying

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:46

TheLongestJohns · 11/07/2025 12:00

I do - but I save it for real things.

We have always eaten animals, and quite frankly its the vegans ruining the world, with all the processing their almond milk and importing their avocados

So you're saying animals aren't real and don't matter. Wow

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:55

Iamfree · 10/07/2025 20:45

Sorry but humans have eaten animals since the beginning of times. I love a good steak and no I won’t stop, same for my family. You do you, I can’t stand sanctimoniuous people. What’s the need to start a thread on this? You’re holier than thou good for you but we don’t care

but just because we've done something since the beginning of time, does it mean we cannot change and evolve?

i didn't start a thread. A question popped up saying what I can't believe is still legal and I said the way animals are treated and killed for human consumption. The barbaricness of it. Is that sanctimonious? It just upsets me.

'You do you',' love a good steak' , 'holier than thou' - and 'we don't care'. All your little quotes tell me a lot about who you are.
I don't want to stop you.

you can't stand me, I can't stand you. That's that sorted

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LeaAndDer · 11/07/2025 20:58

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:46

So you're saying animals aren't real and don't matter. Wow

I’ve always wondered, how do you milk an almond?

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:59

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 11/07/2025 11:43

And then the sparrowhawk would have just gone and got another one. So instead of one dead pigeon, you've got one injured pigeon and another dead one. Marvellous.

But this isn't really anything to do with the mass production of animals and killing them barbarically for human consumption is it really ?
this is what bothers me. We have evolved and animals are still living in the wild

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:02

LeaAndDer · 11/07/2025 20:58

I’ve always wondered, how do you milk an almond?

AI will tell you
The general production method involves soaking and grinding almonds in an excess of water. A milky white liquid is obtained after filtering the almond pulp (flesh). Almond milk can also be made by adding water to almond butter

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cupfinalchaos · 11/07/2025 21:03

Agree. The whole process should be filmed in some of the less hospitable abattoirs, shown to meat eaters and then let them make an informed decision. But if I had my wish it would be illegal.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/07/2025 21:09

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 20:55

but just because we've done something since the beginning of time, does it mean we cannot change and evolve?

i didn't start a thread. A question popped up saying what I can't believe is still legal and I said the way animals are treated and killed for human consumption. The barbaricness of it. Is that sanctimonious? It just upsets me.

'You do you',' love a good steak' , 'holier than thou' - and 'we don't care'. All your little quotes tell me a lot about who you are.
I don't want to stop you.

you can't stand me, I can't stand you. That's that sorted

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But you did start a thread. This is your thread. Your post is the OP. Did you think you were replying to someone else but click the link ”New thread” button by mistake?

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:09

XenoBitch · 10/07/2025 20:45

Animals live in the moment. Animals are also fucking brutal themselves.

This is why when we have old and ailing pets, it is said to have them put to sleep on a good day. Better a week too early than a day too late.

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Animals do remember though so can't live in the moment otherwise they wouldn't experience trauma. There's an amazing man called Niall Harbison and some dogs he rescues are so traumatised from their past that they can't really function. So you're saying they are all brutal and have no memory span? I disagree

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:13

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 11/07/2025 12:17

I've worked on farms, I've been in an abbatoir while the actions going on. I'm under absolutely no illusions about what goes on in there.

Really not going to stop me eating meat.

Well you have your conscience and I have mine

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:16

Tiredandtiredagain · 11/07/2025 12:24

Let’s discuss where you purchase your clothes, is that ethical? Do you know if child labour is used? How do you research that?

I actually do as I watched a programme with Stacey Dooley the other day and it was shocking. In Indonesia and how their waters are polluted etc from the mass production of clothes with chemicals and the local kids swim in it. I hadn't have many clothes and just buy less but more expensive clothes and donate as much as I can to charity or recycle in H & M. I'm learning all the time and try and educate myself and try and evolve and try and do better. Im still trying

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:20

Wolfpa · 10/07/2025 21:04

what about breaking their necks or shooting them or drowning them in air?

drowning fish in air? Read Joaquin Phoenix's view on why he doesn't eat fish and is now a vegan.

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LeaAndDer · 11/07/2025 21:27

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:02

AI will tell you
The general production method involves soaking and grinding almonds in an excess of water. A milky white liquid is obtained after filtering the almond pulp (flesh). Almond milk can also be made by adding water to almond butter

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No teats on the almond?

OP I was jesting - bless you.

Wolfpa · 11/07/2025 21:33

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:20

drowning fish in air? Read Joaquin Phoenix's view on why he doesn't eat fish and is now a vegan.

you have made it sound like it is just the throat slitting that you think is barbaric.

do you have issues with other ways of killing animals? I live in an area that has regular deer culls to control populations it seems wasteful to just let them rot.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 11/07/2025 21:33

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 21:13

Well you have your conscience and I have mine

Yep, and I have my bacon.

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