Eating animals

[Bearsaloud]

To me killing animals and keeping them the way we do should be illegal. And them queuing up to be killed in an abbatoir and scream on the way in. It's barbaric and medieval in my opinion. Eat something else!

I would have helped the pigeon and not watched.

I could never eat a lamb, they're beautiful and just babies

What actually is my post?

And then the sparrowhawk would have just gone and got another one. So instead of one dead pigeon, you've got one injured pigeon and another dead one. Marvellous.

The thing is I liked the flavour of meat too. Chicken etc but once I'd realised what it was and thought about it a bit deeper, I could never go back

i think this is the key. People enjoy it so they don't want to give it up. If people think a little deeper it's pretty gross eating flesh

when I see the meat in the supermarket aisles I can't even walk down there as it upset me. I see dead animals and flesh and blood and not food. Each to their own though but thats my mindset

Then maybe you don't have a conscience 🤔

I would have helped the pigeon and not watched

Why is the pigeon more worthy than the Sparrowhawk though? Millions of pigeons, very few Sparrowhawk. As you know, each and every thing on earth is reliant on another for its survival. If I had saved that pigeon, then potentially the Sparrowhawk doesn't feed it's chicks. I admit, I was pretty pissed off when it caught and ate a robin...... But, that is the natural order of things.

I do - but I save it for real things.

We have always eaten animals, and quite frankly its the vegans ruining the world, with all the processing their almond milk and importing their avocados

Suggest if interested you look a little further than avocados. There more than enough intel on the negative affects of meat consumption on the environment. It is the single worst thing we can do for our environment. Here’s just one graph for example obviously there’s no way I can get this info from the meat industry, it’s not in their interests to tell the world how destructive they are

5-6% are veggies, 2-3 % are vegan.
Flexi who reduced meat intake are 11-16%
So max 9% don't eat it. From my search. 9% is more than I expected.

I've worked on farms, I've been in an abbatoir while the actions going on. I'm under absolutely no illusions about what goes on in there.

Really not going to stop me eating meat.

That's your view - fine don't eat meat. Had a strange conversation with a couple of vegans. We eat venison. The deer are culled by landowners every year as they have no natural predators and numbers would damage natural biodiversity and eventually, they would starve due to competing numbers. It's meeting government-set requirements. These vegans don't agree with the shooting and would prefer natural predators be introduced. If I were a deer I would prefer a quick bullet to being chased and ripped apart by wolves. There are both humane and inhumane methods of slaughter.

Let’s discuss where you purchase your clothes, is that ethical? Do you know if child labour is used? How do you research that?

I did not say it is pain. I specifically said they don't have the system required for it to be pain.

I said they respond to stimuli such as destructive wounding and that in animals that reaction to that action could be called pain. They have their version of a response / reaction to damage, an awareness of it.

Which is true. There is a process that happens as a reaction to destructive wounding. I was directly responding to a comment from another poster that plants are also alive. Which they are. And the research into the nature of that life is interesting.

Thanks for that. I can see where the pp got the 75% from though. I have no idea how YouGov got to the 75% figure as the maths stacks up to your figures. I agree that 9% is higher than I would have expected

"keeping them the way we do"

What, like this? Photo taken this morning about 100 yards from my back door

Meat is very important to our diet. Red meat contains every vitamin our bodies need. I’ll
keep on eating it forever

I’m a vegetarian so not completely animal
free.

My family are mostly vegetarian or vegan.

Interestingly on the women’s side none of us have gained weight as we have got older and been through the menopause. None of us have any health ailments that I read about on here when women are perimenopausal and menopausal. We have virtually had no symptoms at all.

I don’t just mean blood relatives, my brothers wife included.

Women who I went to school with and are meat eaters are overweight and have health problems.

There has been no cancers in our family.

Could just be a coincidence but a vegetarian lifestyle along with a very active outdoor life seems to be very healthy for us.

None of us drink alcohol either or smoke.

Sheep farmer here (with a few assorted animals on the side)

I see many hundred animals born & die each year. I see them when they're sick, in pain & in fear & understand & recognize the difference.

The slaughter is a tiny, tiny part of that animals life. How they live is far more important to their well being.

Actually they don't mind slaughter, it's quick, they don't suffer & don't know what's happening. They certainly don't 'scream' when they see the abbattoir.

Our cattle are all 'done' on the farm so they are not transported anywhere in fear. I see every one personally. It's not distressing.

They suffer when idiot dog owners let their dogs run off lead next to their field or even in it, they suffer when idiots have firework displays.

That’s very interesting as I also had no menopause symptoms and my kids who are lifelong veggies never get Ill. Not a single day off school although one did catch Covid. The rest of us nothing.

It would be interesting for some long term research on this. I know there’s a lot re cancers and heart disease etc but I’d love to see some on women going through the menopause

Exactly, death in nature is not a bed of roses either as compared with an abattoir. Rabbits don’t tend to die on little hay pillows covered in primroses. They generally succumb to a predator or a hideous disease.

That’s not to say that when we choose to eat meat we shouldn’t try, budget allowing, to eat local, good quality, organic, animals that have had a happy life and were dispatched as painlessly and humanely as possible.

But I can’t get my head around the mindset that can’t accept that death as part of life. To my mind, it doesn’t help the environment or respect the creatures in it, if we can’t embrace reality.

I really can't do that. I've kept hens for 20 years plus, but actually killing them and taking all the innards out etc.... I'm too soft. I prefer to eat my meat bought from a shop or takeaway where I don't have to think too much about the process.
I'd love to try guinea fowl.

Turn your caps lock on. That'll show us.

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Beautiful. I love lamb.

I think a lot of omnivores who visited an abbatoir to see first-hand what goes on would very quickly become vegetarian. I watched a documentary once which showed a cow being stunned, strung up and its throat cut. I threw out all my meat products and turned vegetarian - for three months.

I'm back eating meat, fish and poultry now because, like a lot of people, I turn a blind eye. I buy Red Tractor and RSPCA approved products but death is still death and it doesn't sit brilliantly.

I watched that program kill it, cook it, eat it. It was interesting to watch. It didn't put me off meat. It pissed a farmer off though I think when the stun didn't work on one of the lambs.