Eating animals

[Bearsaloud]

To me killing animals and keeping them the way we do should be illegal. And them queuing up to be killed in an abbatoir and scream on the way in. It's barbaric and medieval in my opinion. Eat something else!

I'm sure it's agony.
Doesn't mean the animal eating its prey is being cruel.

I prefer to end lives painlessly. You may be thinking of those people who follow the god of the bible who insists on the pain.

I am evolved to eat meat and vegetables. It would be possible for me to just eat veg, but only because we have the technology now to import items from warmer climates and to grow them in greenhouses.

If we had taken your advice early on we'd be extinct now.

Oh and plants are alive too. If you're going to worry about that don't eat them either. Just sand and water.

Well, water contains lots of microorganisms. How small does something have to be before a vegan thinks it is fair game?

I had a nice steak for dinner.

I am 43 and haven't eaten an animal since I was 11. I just can't be selfish enough to think my tastebuds are enough to warrant the way we breed, 'manufacture', torture and kill beings who have done us no harm.
Taste is just a pleasure. And plenty of non-animal foods taste amazing anyway.

I don't buy this to be honest. I mean yes, but we've also evolved to wear clothes, worship a million 'gods', rape and murder one another in the name of 'honour' and oppress people for looking different to us. We don't need to eat meat now, despite what it may (or indeed may not, there are arguments against it) have done for us 300,000 years ago.

I read an article in national geographic that said plants communicate with each other.

and there have been a few pieces that have published findings that suggest that plants respond to stimuli that in animals would be called pain. they respond to getting cut, having bits trimmed off, being damaged etc. I think it was called destructive wounding. They don't have nervous system/ pain receptors like animals but there's a lot of evidence to suggest they have their own version of 'feeling' things that we would interpret as pain and reacting.

Typically people posting about this subject tend to think the animals should be left to gambol in fields etc.

Not realising that the day after meat was made illegal every remaining farm animal would be killed and burned to dispose of them.

No farmer can afford to keep them and feed them and they'd need the space to grow your veg.

🤣I think you should have ALL naming rights

I’ll agree it should probably be done differently, I’m a hypocrite and will quite happily visit a zoo or aquarium and consume meat or fish after, thinking absolutley nothing of it, because that’s just how it is. Pretty sure this has been the same since the beginning of time. I’ll enjoy my maccies lunch tomorrow along with some home made chicken burgers for lunch tomorrow.

not to mention increased pesticide use, reduced biodiversity, increases in transporting food all over the globe, starvation in regions with large amounts of land unsuitable for agriculture and water scarcity in certain parts of the world.
not being able to grow a variety of crops in an area, potentially leading to soil destruction (monoculture?) Impact on wildlife when vast areas are cleared in order to grow the volume of crops required to feed 8 billion people.
etc etc

It really isn't quite so black and white as stop eating the cute animals you're so mean and evil.

We’re all animals… do you have an actual point to make?

But it’s so tasty. 🤤

I just think it’s pointless trying to change minds, because you won’t. It’s like trying to get people to not drive cars anymore, not watch tv.. just do what you want to do, and not preach to others. You will be eternally disappointed

Factory farming is the main problem, in my opinion. But people want their cheap meat and they want it every day.

I live in a rural town and the meat processing plants have been providing employment to generations of locals, many people spent their whole working life there. I know many of these people, they happily eat meat.

Well raje more time in future and give a more reasoned argument!

I'd rather not eat something else

I tried being vegetarian twice and quickly felt quite unwell.

I do try to buy venison and high welfare meat and fish where I can (or yellow sticker as I figure cutting down on food waste is also good).

I also eat vegetarian dinners about 1/3 of the time. I think it's a decent compromise.

Killing is cruel. Of course. One day killing animals to eat them will be done by a small minority ( in the U.K. and west ) and just as smoking repulses the majority so will eating animals. The U.K. consumption of meat has reduced by 17% in the last decade and continues to do so. It’s a long road to enlightenment. I’m interested in the new dna meat that doesn’t involve killing animals. It’s more environmentally friendly and definately a way forward for those that want the taste of animals. Perhaps this is the answer OP

I dont get the animals wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for meat ‘argument’ so what ? Good ? if they don’t exist in the first place then they won’t have a scary and traumatising death to look forward to after a life of misery.

They will be killed anyway for food so what’s the difference . One generation will save the suffering of all future ones.

No, we think that we shouldn't breed them for our own entertainment in the first place (and 'bur I laaike da taaaste!' IS entertainment for us-we don't NEED it, we can survive perfectly fine without it (yes I know there are a few exceptions however we find workarounds if necessary-which we are beocming more adept at now).

What about those of us who are entirely comfortable with killing the animal ourselves? Are we allowed?

I’ve done it.
I’ve killed rabbits during survival exercises when I was serving in the army, which were eaten.
I’ve shot ducks and pheasants which were taken home and eaten.
I’ve been involved with many a deer hunt during hunting season, where the animal has been divided up and fed my family and two other families for a few weeks.

Yes, essentially what I mean. We don't want us to keep breeding them and just not eat them-that would be totally nonsensical-this 'but what would we do with all the cows' argument is ridiculous.

You know, they don't exist naturally? When was the last time you saw a wild cow? Or more accurately, bullock as are mostly bred for meat-they don't exist.

We PUT these animals here. They wouldn't exist without our intervention for our money and gluttony.

By that argument, nobody buys cassette tapes or analogue TVs any longer. Why aren't we over ran with those? I mean, if people stop buying something we still carry on producing it, right? Why aren't we tripping over them all?