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Eating animals

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Bearsaloud · 10/07/2025 18:15

To me killing animals and keeping them the way we do should be illegal. And them queuing up to be killed in an abbatoir and scream on the way in. It's barbaric and medieval in my opinion. Eat something else!

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:31

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 10/07/2025 19:58

If something's important to you then the responsibility is on you to communicate properly.

I am indeed an adult. Old enough to recognise a post for what it actually is.

If youre not telling people what to do then dont post telling people what to do. Its not difficult.

People dont decide to make changes in their lives because some random on the Internet starts insulting them.

So really you need to choose what your aim is here. Get your rage off your chest about other people's choices or have a debate about an issue that's important to you

Do you want to tell people off or try to convince them through respectful discussion, facts and intelligent posts that there's a different way to eat that has many benefits?

I wasn't telling anyone what to do

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:33

Hazelsticksandwillow777 · 11/07/2025 00:11

I can do better than that. We slaughter are own chickens and guinea fowl for our own private consumption.

You're lovely

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:34

Hazelsticksandwillow777 · 11/07/2025 00:07

I’ll bite (no pun intended 😆).

I eat a small amount of meat that has a local provenance and is good quality because I can afford to.

If my circumstances were different though, and I was on a very low wage and had to feed four children; I wouldn’t hesitate to buy the best quality supermarket chicken I could afford every so often and I would be very grateful for it.

I’m sorry but I think a lot of people who avoid eating meat on principle because they don’t agree with killing animals are missing a fundamental point about nature; which is, that death is everywhere in the wild. I live in the countryside and I am surrounded by death every day. Death is part of nature just as much as life is. The same with farming, if you have live stock, then you have dead stock too.

Animals naturally eat one another. We eat animals. Insects eat the remains. It’s natural and it’s the way the natural world functions.

Now of course we have to lobby for as good welfare standards for farmed animals in the food chain as possible. But I don’t think there is anything wrong fundamentally with one animal (us) eating another animal (a leg of lamb) for example. And in terms of social justice, I am glad that children whose parents live on a minimum wage can eat chicken and sausages and that meat is not only for rich people.

The challenge is to improve welfare standards and meat quality and keep pressurising supermarkets to enforce high standards, something we have made more difficult for ourselves post-Brexit.

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It's a cruel industry

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Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:36

Christmasbear1 · 11/07/2025 02:30

We should all reduce our consumption of meat. Have a least one day a week being vegetarian. Think about how many animals are killed everyday just for us to eat. There are more chickens than humans would you believe! The meat industry is mass produced, there no way the animals are treated well on that scale. Pigs are very much like dogs in fact they're cleverer and can do tricks. You can watch videos online it's quite fascinating. But people in the west don't eat dog but will eat pig.

I'm not a vegetarian by the way but these farm
animals do have feelings. Cows are like big dogs too. Chickens cuddling up to owners as well. They're not robots.

Exactly this. The man in the film Babe stopped eating meat after filming

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HostaCentral · 11/07/2025 09:03

I watched a Sparrowhawk catch a pigeon yesterday. Sat on it for about fifteen minutes until it stopped struggling, repeatedly pecking at it. Then proceeded to pluck every feature off, and consume. Magpies with fledglings, cats with mice etc etc etc.

We eat what we need. At our very basic level we are omnivorous mammals. We need a balanced diet. We are what we are, due to our diet.

I buy expensive meat as much as I can, free range, organic, farm reared, not factory farmed. Very little processed food. Eating things like Welsh lamb is about as natural as you can get.

MightlySlad · 11/07/2025 09:06

HostaCentral · 11/07/2025 09:03

I watched a Sparrowhawk catch a pigeon yesterday. Sat on it for about fifteen minutes until it stopped struggling, repeatedly pecking at it. Then proceeded to pluck every feature off, and consume. Magpies with fledglings, cats with mice etc etc etc.

We eat what we need. At our very basic level we are omnivorous mammals. We need a balanced diet. We are what we are, due to our diet.

I buy expensive meat as much as I can, free range, organic, farm reared, not factory farmed. Very little processed food. Eating things like Welsh lamb is about as natural as you can get.

It might be huge news to you but, our brains are quite a bit more developed than that of Sparrowhawks.

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foreverand · 11/07/2025 09:20

SouthernNights59 · 11/07/2025 08:12

Um, you do realise that supermarkets are where people buy their meat from.

I'm imagining a whole lot of MNers living in the middle of cities or large towns, without a clue about farming - and as I've already said, obtaining their "facts" from people with an agenda.

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That was my whole point. Animals aren’t shopping for and buying their meat in supermarkets, we are. we are not the same.

Tiredandtiredagain · 11/07/2025 09:22

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:36

Exactly this. The man in the film Babe stopped eating meat after filming

Not true! He was already vegetarian since 1971 and became vegan.

Don’t make stuff up, it’s embarrassing!

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 09:27

Bearsaloud · 11/07/2025 08:26

Yes I do hate you

So do I

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 09:28

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 11/07/2025 00:16

Yeah, but bacon.

Yeah but bowel cancer

hamstersarse · 11/07/2025 09:30

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 09:28

Yeah but bowel cancer

You really do suck up fake news donchya

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 11/07/2025 09:31

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 09:28

Yeah but bowel cancer

But bacon!

TheLongestJohns · 11/07/2025 10:42

foreverand · 10/07/2025 18:25

I agree but you won’t convert anyone like this.
Guilt is a difficult emotion

I certainly dont feel guilty about eating animals

Tiredandtiredagain · 11/07/2025 11:06

NeilDiamondsBlowDry · 11/07/2025 09:28

Yeah but bowel cancer

Yeah but run over by a bus!

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:18

Wynter25 · 11/07/2025 06:16

75% population in UK are meat eaters

Tbh I wasn’t aware it was that low already. That’s interesting

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:21

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 10/07/2025 22:36

I read an article in national geographic that said plants communicate with each other.

and there have been a few pieces that have published findings that suggest that plants respond to stimuli that in animals would be called pain. they respond to getting cut, having bits trimmed off, being damaged etc. I think it was called destructive wounding. They don't have nervous system/ pain receptors like animals but there's a lot of evidence to suggest they have their own version of 'feeling' things that we would interpret as pain and reacting.

Theres no scientific evidence that this has anything to do with pain. Currently without a brain or nervous system the science isn’t there

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:24

SouthernNights59 · 11/07/2025 05:43

And once again, they are okay with animals killing other animals for food, just not humans? Okay then.

I’m not aware that animals have the ability to grow their own food. We do. There’s a significant difference between us.

whatcanthematterbe81 · 11/07/2025 11:25

I love meat, but yeah it’s fucking horrible so honestly I ignore it on weekends when I have my non veggie days. Hypocrite? Maybe but just do what I can

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:28

DreamyRedNewt · 11/07/2025 08:10

There are in my opinion more cruel things.
For example, having illegal inmigrants picking up strawberries and other fruit/vegetables in bad conditions and paying them a ridicoulours wage. I am from an european country where this happens, are you still eating the fruit/vegetables? Of course you are. Do you ever think what goes behind your fruit and vegetables and if maybe are humans suffering in that industry? Even when you buy cheap clothes?we all know that some clothes come from factories where the conditions are awful, even children work in some of them.

I personally care more about humans suffering than animals being killed for food (but of course I would like this to be done as humanly as possible)

Or maybe we have the ability to care about them all. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility to care about more than one thing at the same time and make changes for a better kinder world

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/07/2025 11:30

Bearsaloud · 10/07/2025 20:52

Have you been an animal before ?

We’re all animals.

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:32

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 10/07/2025 22:48

not to mention increased pesticide use, reduced biodiversity, increases in transporting food all over the globe, starvation in regions with large amounts of land unsuitable for agriculture and water scarcity in certain parts of the world.
not being able to grow a variety of crops in an area, potentially leading to soil destruction (monoculture?) Impact on wildlife when vast areas are cleared in order to grow the volume of crops required to feed 8 billion people.
etc etc

It really isn't quite so black and white as stop eating the cute animals you're so mean and evil.

Although the majority of land is either pasture or used to grow animal feed to feed the animals humans chose to eat. If we weren’t eating animals we wouldn’t need so much land cleared.

Tillow4ever · 11/07/2025 11:36

I’m a fussy eater. Really fussy. I hate it, but I will literally rather starve than try to force down food I don’t like the taste or texture of. Meat is one of the few things I do enjoy. I tried to be a vegetarian as a teenager as I too felt bad about the animals - but I made myself very unwell because I just wasn’t eating enough (and I would literally throw up if I tried to eat certain foods because the smell/taste/texture makes me gag).

So I’m a meat eater and can’t see any way that eill change. Also, I don’t absorb B12 properly and need injections. I became extremely unwell, and you can actually die from pernicious anaemia. To me this is all the proof I need that human beings are supposed to eat meat - you only get B12 naturally from animal products (meat being the main way, but also eggs, milk, etc).

I’m all for individual choice and I’d never force my meat eating ways on a vegan or vegetarian - if we host meals I will always check if anyone has any dietary requirements and make certain we have exactly what they need so no one goes hungry. If I go somewhere else, I would never insist they cook me something specific but I will check the meal in advance and decline to eat if necessary.

Long winded way of saying I understand why you feel that way, and respect your choice not to eat meat. I applaud it in a way. But I disagree with the preachy way of pushing your views on others, that’s not on at all.

Stirabout · 11/07/2025 11:40

MightlySlad · 11/07/2025 09:06

It might be huge news to you but, our brains are quite a bit more developed than that of Sparrowhawks.

They also can’t shop in Sainsburies

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