Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

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From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

Good point.

You do realise how a pip form works right. You write down all your conditions most disabled people will also have anxiety and depression as being disabled sucks chronic pain sucks and repeatedly nearly dying sucks. I wrote down hypothyroidism, anxiety,depression, asthma, reactive hypoglycemia but none of them are what I got pip for but they are on my form

And people don't need to explain to you what they have. Anxiety and depression is a huge umbrella!

It's in response to peoples replies. I thought there was something I was missing.

I think people just dont want to see the reality that everything is changing. There is no money left. Some people will have to struggle. The government cant shelter everyone from discomfort anymore.

A huge umbrella for what? It is anxiety and depression in one category. Other conditions are in separate categories...

Thanks. That my point really. It's horrible bill, but the only option.
Ofc they can just take on more national debt

1000 new claimants a day suggests otherwise….

Claimants, not recipients.

we could of cut forgein aid, stopped benefits for anyone who wasnt born here even with UK citizenship, stopped NHS tourism, stopped giving money for certain countries wars, taxed giant corporations like amazon, but no they went after the most vulnerable.

And this is why I suspect Reform will try to take us to war. Payments for Anxiety? When we're all in fear of random drone attacks? I really really hope that I am wrong, but I very much fear that they would see a war as a good way to Champion the UK whilst restricting all payments for all conditions because 'we need the money to fund our military'.

I hope I'm talking bollocks though.

Me too. I just got on.

The OP is just confused by the lack of logic, and emotional hysteria.

"Depression" is an umbrella term for many types of depressive disorder. There isn't just one type.

Most of those are already were on DLA and are having to apply for PIP, they are counted as new claims even though they have no choice.

Well then they should stop raising the state pension age then obviously the older people get the more iller they become

Absolutely this. We've found out now that this incarnation of Labour no longer represents the working classes; infact I'd go so far to say they actively loathe them. Unless you're part of the liberal elite bubble, Labour won't represent your interests.

I’d say we’re maxed out on that. Incredibly high debt servicing already eating into taxes.

It is difficult to circle the square that it’s incredibly difficult to apply for, and yet the number of claimants has increased by 50% in 5 years, almost 40% of those get the full award.

I suspect there’s a great many people honestly filling out the forms and being rejected despite difficulties - and a great many who have realised how to fill the forms out to get the desired result.

A big problem is that you cannot have a frank conversation about eligibility for these benefits without howls of indignation. My view is we need to really weed out who really needs the help - so we can focus support on them.

Of course its not the only option. Disability benefit is only 4% of government spending they need to look into the other 96%

This is what needs to happen - but it won’t be popular:

The NHS is used for emergency care only. No more operations that are not essential, and a health tax is introduced for the existing service for other medical procedures, a reduction is offered to those paying for their own medical care privately.

GP appointments become chargeable at £10 each with working people given their own slots after 5pn to 9pm Ditto hospital appointments. Pensioners pay for their own prescriptions.

Scrap free transport for pensioners, and the triple lock immediately. Anyone living in a large house and not utilising all bedrooms pay a premium tax.

Anyone requiring social care pays for it. Especially those that have assets.

If you are healthy you work 35 hours a week to receive any benefits at all. Community work and litter picking if paid employment is elusive. If you are disabled you work with a mentor to secure work within the realms of your capacity. For those that are bed bound and terminally ill they will get more care and support than is currently available.

Migrants pay for their own accommodation and food. If they can not pay they are flown out of the country immediately. They do not get to stay here free of charge. The default should always be deportation unless it is for very very special cases.

Housing is prioritised to those that were born here. Over and above all else.

No more free passes for anyone.
Unless the government of any colour can get serious about what is required, things will get much worse for everyone very very quickly.

EH? You are the OP aren't you?

We’re in the shit because of too many years of the Tory shitshow we just had, Brexit, the pandemic and Vladimir Putin. An ageing demographic in poor health, partly because of the population’s own poor health choices. These are massive problems that are only partially under Labour’s control. They’ve got a handle on inflation, there’s growth and interest rates are coming down. All that will help in time. They need to increase growth and reduce spiralling government spending but they are also facing an electorate that makes growth difficult. E.g., they don’t want immigration, but low skilled immigrants were fueling the bottom of our economy and looking after our ageing population. International students were, for example, the one thing that mean the HE sector was still afloat. Without immigrants life for Brits is more expensive. We need to get behind labour and give them a chance, not demonarlise them and vie for them to be sacked at every opportunity. The alternative (Reform) will send us further to shit and without stability we can’t address any of these long term challenges.

But it still does. The reason the bill failed was due to a majority of MPs voting against it in its original format. Labour are still predominantly for the working classes, but it’s going to be their downfall if the government has to go against their promise to not increase taxes.

37% of people are on high rate pip that means 63% are on lower rates which can be as little as £29.50 a week

There is no war to have. The UK only spends 4% on its defense budget. The next government the people vote it because they're angry at labour will just drown the country in national debt. Currently the UKs debt is 100.5% of its GDP.

Labour is literally trying to to do the right thing, even tho it's pissing people off. They know it risks them staying in power, their personal careers. But they're trying to do the hard thing that no one wanted, or will want to do.

One could say that by trying to reduce the cost of services the state is funding, Labour is helping working people by not increasing their taxes yet further.

I can’t see how it’s ’helping working people’ to put their taxes up again really.