Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

No. Lots of people just seem to feel disabled people shouldn't get pip.

They don't seem to have suggestions for how disabled people will survive after that. I guess they dont care about that as long as the government saves the money.

Isnt raising taxes inevitable for any government coming in the current situation? The tories left a mess, and the pandemic didnt help.

Trump has just raised the US's debt ceiling. I guess reform will just do that

I wasn’t aware of the visa access part

I was asking about mental health disorders such as anxiety and depression. People will struggle, I do... but what else can be done?

18th I think the expenditure on both is insane!! Illegal immigration isn’t just about cost though - we all know it’s mainly young men coming across (why do they think it’s safe to leave their families behind, why are they fleeing France?). People in areas with large numbers of illegal immigrants just don’t want to deal with all the associated problems and they don’t like feeling overwhelmed by large numbers of people with values and attitudes that aren’t compatible with our society- fundamental Islam, veils etc, it’s not about race, it’s about lifestyles.

We're talking about benefit cuts no?

Exactly this and even though they have back tracked to an extent disabled people have been put through months of stress and worry

Off topic a bit but employers are still very ill educated on autism @Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast aren't they? Everything seems to be tick boxing and virtue signalling 😡😞. My dd is similar to your ds although only has one degree and diagnosed anxiety. Would love to work full time in a non wfh job.

That will cost them the next election.
The voters will never forget and will certainly not forgive.
The only question is will that let the Tories or Reform in.
If I were a Labour councillor I'd be shitting myself about next May's elections.

So - this is the reason, but it’s also important to add… people don’t have a brilliant grasp of the actual challenge facing the UK.

We do not have sufficient income to fund our spiralling welfare, health and pensions bill. Too few people are working, or earning enough - while we have a growing ageing and ill population to support.

And the cost of this is growing far faster than predicted. PIP claims increased by >50% in 5 years.

You can say you should support the elderly and ill till you are blue in the face - but the reality is, this all needs to be funded, and we can’t afford to fund the current system.

It requires some very difficult ethical and moral discussions - and also addressing issues like low wages, the housing crisis and lack of employment in some areas.

The UK is (without sounding too dramatic) on a precipice and continuing as we are is not sustainable. Labour have failed at every hurdle in addressing this problem, it is incredibly frustrating.

For the working population there now will be more tax increases to fund more welfare - that is not going to attractive. I fear the result will be pushing more people to the right / a probable Farage government in 2028/9.

The entire state cannot exist to exclusively fund the ill and the old - and doing so won’t create the growth the country need.

I would add - I am pretty left wing, but a realist about the ability for the UK continuing on its current trajectory.

Pip starts at 16 which is an abomination judging a child on adult criteria my son is very behind his peers educationally socially emotionally academics are not easy for him he will need to stay in education however he will only get transport paid until he is 16 then I will be required to pay for it until he is 18 (if he stays until 19 he gets that free) I cannot afford that it's currently around £2000 pip would pay for that and under the current guidelines he would get it with ease now its uncertain i need to start saving now for several years time

1. Unreasonable expectations of immediate recovery after 14 years of neglect
2. Hostile media
3. Utter incompetence in managing the messaging
4. Not thinking policies through before putting them in a bill
5. Utter cowardice over anything to do with the EU, which is disastrous for anyone wanting to rebuild the economy

The Welfare bill should never have gone to a vote in its current form. It was just more 'punish the poor for being poor' - and Labour promised to be different. I'm glad the bill was gutted.

The optics of what the government are doing is terrible and seems screamingly obvious. I wish they'd taken a breath to look at the books before committing to fiscal red lines or whatever. They have a big majority and time of their side when they got in. They've (at best) squandered much of the first year.

Although the right wing press have been madly lying about plenty of stuff the last year. As usual. But who cares about that?

Why cant your daughter work?

Who is advising Starmer? Who is he listening to? Is it just Morgan McSweeney?

You fix the nhs by fixing social care. There are a significant amount of people in hospital who are medically fit but cant be discharged until carers, care homes and medical equipment is sorted this can take weeks/months if you clear the beds you clear a&e if you clear a&e you clear ambulances. Stop paying agency staff triple wages and hire actual staff.

What does he need transport for? College?

Absolutely.
They want to get the brownie points but not actually employ or understand.
There are so many people who would be fantastic employees who would add real value to the workplace, with just a bit of understanding and some accommodations.

Thing is - where can they tax people more?

Most working adults already seem to be at breaking point with the cost of living and with tax thresholds frozen until at least 2029.

Increasing taxes even further on workers who are often struggling to maintain a basic standard of living, to support several million who don’t… there’s a point at which people run out of empathy.

And of course now it’s clear the answer will never be reforming the money going out, only finding more ways to get money in… it’s not an inspirational message.

But wasn’t that because Reeves claimed that Labour didn’t know just how much debt we were in and what a mess the books had been left in by the departing Tory government? Difficult decisions have to be made I guess, and let’s be honest, if Labour have decided to target the benefits gravy train, things have to be pretty desperate, because that’s not who Labour are.

They can backtrack all they like.

Disabled people and their carers will not be forgetting the vile rhetoric spewed from Labour mouths mere weeks ago.

They knew what that would stir up. Hatred against all of us. And they did it anyway.

My friend has a son with down syndrome. Despite deserving it, he didn't have 4 points in any descriptor. Because assessors are cunts and she just didn't have the fight left in her for a tribunal (24 hour through the night care will do that to a woman) as he qualified for high rate care anyway.

The HELL she went through while she stressed about how they would survive, and the smug look on MP's faces as they spouted rhetoric that would have been unthinkable from even a Tory, seared a burning hatred for Labour into many of our support group for carers.

Because too many people voted for them thinking that they were going to be able to magically fix all the inequality in society. With no money.
And without raising taxes or making any kind of cuts.
People feel conned. But that’s because they had unrealistic expectations.

She can but anxiety takes a big toll on her. She's just started taking meds for it so we'll see how that goes. She often gets interviews but interviewers don't understand autistic people's needs. For example team games in interview etc. My dd needs straightforward questions etc.

Sorry meant to tag @18thday

Anxiety debilitates me, I still work tho