Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

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From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

All mental health reasons are removed from pip payments, and ADHD etc.

But you are the OP……… ? Are you saying you have lack of logic?

Because the people didn't want to believe the country was bankrupt, we couldn't keep printing money and by necessity there were tough times ahead. They thought Labour would shower the nation with Ambrosia.

Totally agree.

I am also left wing but the current situation is simply unsustainable and we need to make cuts somewhere. Young people should not be on PIP for anxiety and depression. It’s a huge growing timebomb because these people are NEVER going to work. Not working makes anxiety and depression worse so they’re going to improve their condition!

I have bipolar and bpd when iv often been sectioned with people who have mental illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia do you really want to work with people with these diagnosis

Genuine question, if you had claimed PIP, or maybe you did claim it, how would the money have helped with anxiety?

One thing they could do to really help people is sort out the energy bills. Its not properly regulated, we all know this even your nans know this.
They should put a limit on how much they can charge, instead of the energy companies boasting about their massive profits every year.
If bills come down - then theres more spending power - better for the economy.

They could sort the energy companies so that they aren't bumming everyone to death.
In France energy has gone down in price by 30% since last September. Yet here it just keeps going up. There is no need for our bills to be so high yet Labour won't do anything because they're getting paid by the energy companies to rinse us.

PIP is not an out of work benefit

Cuts to PIP will not get people into work, they’re not linked.

The issues with PIP are exactly what people campaigning against it being introduced warned it would be, they took away the part filled out by healthcare professionals and made it harder to claim for the people who should be claiming it and easier to claim for people who know how to manipulate the system.

I'm not angry.

They have an uphill battle - ‘you can't please everyone all of the time’ - given the mess left to them.

We need to get real too, be responsible, accountable, less selfish, and more educated in forming our opinions. We need to stop being misled by the media and the numerous ‘bots’.

The mobility rate of 29.50 per week was not included in the bill.

85% of PIP claimants are not in work however.

Yeah I cant drive now thanks mocking me

Says who?

This is the annoying thing. PIP is apparently to offset the costs of being disabled. My dp has a disability that does not reach the threshold for claiming PIP but incurs significant extra costs - taxis, a £2k orthopaedic chair, special mattress. If you keep working the costs of being disabled are much higher because you actually need to get to places. But because he can walk more than 200m it’s all apparently fine and we can just absorb the costs.

Iv never claimed pip for anxiety iv claimed it for bipolar and a rare congenital condition that effects my organs. My pip money goes on transport to get to hospital appointments as im under four different trusts all of which except 1 is anywhere near me so a hospital trip their and back is about £200 this can be multiple times a month, I have a carer, cleaner, Gardner, aides for the home but also for me like for eg compression sleeves as the nhs will only provide 2. Private therapy as the type i need the nhs doesnt offer in my area. Im hospitalised a lot through either deteriorating, surgery or treatment so often run out of sick pay so need to cover it myself and I also dont get enough holidays to cover out patients appointments so I have to take the rest unpaid. As you can imagine pip doesnt even come close to.covering all this

Like what?

I suppose another way to ask this question is - why shouldnt PIP be reformed or the increase in claintabts and funding be explored?

Wherever you sit in the political spectrum, does it not raise questions as to why so many more are claiming it? How it should be funded?

I suppose I am struggling to wrap my head around the idea we should just seek to find additional funds to pay for it, and not express any curiosity in why it has grown in the way it has to ensure we are getting ‘value for money’?

If in another 5 years the numbers have increased by another 50%… do we just ignore that too? When do we take stock of it - or will it always be unacceptable to do so?

Cross posted! We are paying more than anyone in europe. Businesses are paying ludicrous amounts.
Three years ago the business I work for was paying £13k a year for electricity.
This year it's £33k a year for the exact same usage.
Obviously for businesses to keep trading they have to put prices up and everything gets more expensive for everyone.
There is a massive knock on effect.

But its still in the pip figures

Yes I do, with medication these conditions can be controlled as you well know.

Conservative policy to privatise utilities. Shareholders take the profits.

https://centreforpublicimpact.org/public-impact-fundamentals/privatising-the-uks-nationalised-industries-in-the1980s/

This is true, but I would argue that employers have been massively let off the hook in terms of doing their bit to employ disabled people. What Labour should have done was tackle that, using a combination of carrot and stick to make employers do the right thing. Businesses and other employers are missing out on talented staff because of their own lazy prejudices. That is where the change should have started, not with more punitive stupid benefit cuts. What did they think would happen? They should have remembered what Einstein said about the definition of insanity.

No, but they’ll also be claiming out of work benefits and cutting PIP won’t change their entitlement to those.

If the aim was to get people back into work, they targeted the wrong benefit

@SirRaymondClench yes huge knock on effect, it would literally lower the cost of everything and get Britian moving again even schools would have better budgets! Like you said though Labour are taking the energy companies pay offs. They wont do anything.