Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

The right wing and the press have spent the last decade or more vilifying benefits 'scroungers'. The moment the Labour party try to reduce benefit spending the Daily Mail is rantingly opposed to it.

killing terminally ill people and unwanted very nearly full term healthy babies

I sat and watched a relative die recently. We sat and we waited. Every time their breathing slowed, we were on edge. They were not going to get better. Their last weeks were fucking horrible to the point the pain made them want to die.

And the full term healthy babies? Educate yourself.

And making old people cold till they were forced to change

I am fully for means tested pensioners, I want my taxes to go to people who actually need it

There are other options like looking into the amount of money the government waste each year as that is estimated in the billions

I think people have too much expectation from the state. If they have anxiety they dont want to work. They want carers for their parents beacuse they dont want to take care of them. They want the state to elevate their discomfort.

I know how it is to be disabled, and take care of someone. I understand wanting relief from it. But there is no money.

Anyone pretending there is a possibility is lying. No government can sustain this amount of state nannying.

Anxiety does not impact on all people in the same way. People are different.

Which is an indication of how desperately the country needs to make work pay by reducing benefits and tax to get people into work. But the last government couldn't. This government gave up trying despite a huge majority.

We've had it, people like me can reduce our working week to 4 days and after tax it makes almost no difference. Work just doesn't pay. I can go a step further, claim anxiety and I can quit work. All the incentive is to claim more from the state and work less, and once that cycle starts it's bear impossible to reverse. Few workers pay more and more tax to fund benefits. So more people work less to avoid tax and start claiming benefits. So there less tax income for the state and higher outgoings so taxes go up. And the cycle repeats itself, accelerating as it goes.

Also there's the constant free publicity for Farage and Reform. Similar to Trump and MAGA. The news media gets overly excited by them because they are "different" and "click baity. Trump and Farage are like crack cocaine to them, even if they disagree politically. Even though none of them are capable of even beginning to deliver. Trump is an ex reality tv star, criminal narcissist. Farage is a disruptor, likely paid to do so.

They have expanded work vias for low skilled office jobs… you know those entry level ones that young people often need to get started.

Any government which gets in is going to find the same problem. We need more money than we have. There are only two ways to go about getting this money - increasing taxes and/or cutting costs. Neither of these choices is going to be palatable to anyone or any group. So whoever gets in next time round had better be wearing flame proof underpants, because there are no easy fixes, and no quick answers and I suspect Reform might well take us into a war simply to distract us from the awful mess we're already in.

But there are benefit scroungers. I could claim PIP I just dont.

If it debilitated you how do you work when I had debilitating anxiety I didn't leave the house for nearly 3 years and stopped talking.

I had panic attacks on the way to work, I didn’t know I could have claimed anything or not worked so I cracked on. Just ask on mumsnet how many people work with anxiety or depression.

Go for it then see how far you get. Pip isnt an easy benefit to claim

Yeah. Reform will come in and kill whatever is left of a functioning government

Well that's good for you @18thday. Not everyone has the same type of anxiety. I mean surely you understand that?

My dd works on an ad hoc basis and volunteers every week day to improve her skills etc.

I think people have too much expectation from the state. If they have anxiety they dont want to work.

This is a massive generalisation. I know several people who have suffered with anxiety including a close relation. Some worked through it, some were unable to. Those that were unable to were desperate to get some balance and peace so they could return to work. My close relation took some time off because of anxiety. He worked lifelong other than that period. He worked hard to get well and returned to work in stages as soon as he was able.

They said they would not raise taxes, but would address the things that needed more funding. Where did you think the funding would come from?

You wouldn't get pip for panic attacks if your still able to function and leave the house

Im the same. Panic attacks while driving. Debilitating anxiety and depression and worse. I just got on with it. Its not pleasant but I did.
A lot of people can and just dont.

Sure. But a lot of claimants dont get back to work...

Where did they think the funding would come from and why didn’t they put it in the manifesto?

You realise the majority of PIP recipients are in work?

Well i hope youve contacted the dvla. Its not debilitating if you can get on with it in medical terms that would be classed as mild

You dont understand what I have. How can you? Do you think I'll lay out my medical history for you in this post.

Im saying the majority of PIP goes to depression and anxiety. ADHD gets a big chunk. People just take PIP and check out

Please support her to appeal if needed in future, I found the appeals were more generous with points than the assessors were, or just correct in how they worked it out.