Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

Yes I do think that if someone has a complete breakdown then time off work can help. I think understanding anxiety is the key to overcoming it.

I am very well and happy now. I suffered with all kinds of anxiety conditions over the years, including health anxiety but strangely enough it was a cancer diagnosis and having to go through chemotherapy that "cured" my anxiety. I still get anxious as does everyone because anxiety is a normal part of life, but it no longer affects me to the point where it interferes in every day life.

OK, I have an answer. I suggest we spend the maximum we possibly can afford on welfare benefits on the proviso that they are all, where possible targeted on getting people back to work.

What you aren't acknowledging is that many claimants have been tax paers

Or are still tax payers.

I don't think you understood my answer. You do sound terribly angry about everything.

Explain how I misunderstood? I just cut and pasted it for chatgpt to explain it and it interpreted it the same way I did.

I have never said a percentage so I don't know how you think I support 25%
Did you ever come up with a figure you would find acceptable?

A six month cliff would be good.

It doesn't matter if they have been tax payers. It's no good us all quitting work and saying "well I used to pay tax". We all need to pay tax now.

As for benefits to get people into work, great, but you have to be slightly careful or you end up subsidising businesses. Otherwise you end up with a billion coffee shops where the minimum wage staff get benefits to survive and making Costa rich but adding nothing to the "real" economy. Frankly I can't think of anything that gets people into work as effectively as them needing to work.

You think 25% is too many? Really?

I asked first. You give me your number and I will immediately respond with mine.

Many claimants been tax payers previous, many will be again when they are well and many pay tax whilst they're earning benefits because they are in work.

God alive. Bot.

What why?

Well if not a bot then very silly....talking nonsense, repeatedly misinterpreting.

All day she's been desperately saying random things to deflect from the flimsy position she's backed herself into.

The last couple were my clue to cease engagement.

I totally agree with this @NotReallyCounting

They need to allow working from home as an option (and not dismissed on a whim by employers).

All day? 😂 I wasn't on the thread for 6 and a half hours after 10.30am.

Go on, knock yourself out, give a figure you find acceptable. It might let some steam off.

Reform probably need to have a stint in local government to show their ineptitude.
It’s all very well spouting from the sidelines, but to actually run something well is completely different.

As Labour are finding out.

On the PIP cuts, I remember the conservatives did do some stuff about why it was getting so high and there was some talk of vouchers which never happened

Bit at least they were kind of looking into hat the problems were before just jumping in and making changes to the criteria.

Vouchers are really difficult because what people spend pip on is vastly different and it could end up where vouchers can only be used by certain taxi firms, therapists and mobility shops etc which wouldn't be helpful unless you lived in a city also I could imagine companies would suddenly significantly raise their prices if they were government vouchers. I just dont see how it would work on a practical level.

Exactly. My PIP has massively helped towards changes to my home. Bathroom with walk in shower. Adapted stairs etc. Vouchers wouldn't have helped with that

I have a friend who uses her PIP for private therapy. Her therapist is in America. I doubt she would accept vouchers.
Would it be time limited? Would you only get therapy vouchers for 6 months?

I wasn't meaning I thought PIP vouchers were a good idea, I was meaning that there were ideas floated around and some looking at changes, as far as I remember, but not just launching in with changing the criteria needed, without looking at the consequences properly. Not that I think anything positive happened, overall.

But so many people take the Mick with this set up, hence employers want people back at work. You can't blame them. Who wouldn't want a nice little wfh job that meant you can do the school run, walk the dog, peg out washing, unload the dishwasher etc etc?!