Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

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From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

But they're entitled to "their" money.

People are not going to give up their benefits if it will be a detriment to themselves.

Its not on the receivers. Again you are angry at the wrong people.

And FYI, as soon as the money is received, it is 'their' money

We should definitely to be angry at the net contributers? WTAF.

Yes. That's exactly what I meant

Who are the right people to be angry at?

Not disabled people.

Maybe the billionaires and businesses avoiding tax? The MPs who were hemorrhaging money over the last 14 years and the dodgy deals to their mates during covid?

But no, continue to attack people receiving PIP

Not that still. Labour are in now. It’s their decisions impacting you.

How much more can you get from billionaires and businesses do you think?

I can’t say I feel anger at people but I do think what is demanded a lot these days, on here especially, will become increasingly problematic. And may lead to a market kick back.

They've been in for 12 months. Do you honestly think they had a magic wand to wave to make the awful fucking decisions of the last government go away?

The comments on this thread have been pretty angry. Pointlessly in most cases.

@Lioncub2020 it’s not “their” money if they didn’t earn it though. Depends on the eligibility criteria

Ok so no criticism for Labour. Not unusual on here.

Their mess is impacting you and others rn even if people don’t want to recognise it.

Where have I said they shouldn't face criticism? I am obviously against their attack on the disabled.

I aren't stupid enough to see that the country they have taken on was already at the bottom of the dung heap and it will take longer than 12 months to fix

It always help to read the posts before replying.

I said that i disagreed with the Tories over Covid ie the waste and poor decision making, the elderly sent to CHs for example, some the crazy restrictions?

Labour weren't in power, what they may or may not have done is irrelevant, the decision making was purely down to the Tories, they were the Govt at the time.

I also criticised the PIP changes or do you agree with taking away help from the blind? from people who cannot wash themselves? or a 2 tier benefits system?

A dogs dinner of a bill- so criticism for Labour, can you ever criticise the Conservatives? not ever read anything along those lines so far!

UK growth in Q1 was +0.7%, Q2 figures aren't out yet.

Markets done well over the last 12months, my pensions and investments have done very well.

People are always angry with the ruling party as they are in charge. The longer in charge they are, the more sense that makes.

I have some sympathy for only 12 months and I really do think the last lot left the country at rock bottom. Austerity took all the resilience out of public services.

I have less sympathy for labour not knowing that's what they were taking on. A country with a big debt from covid and truss and wrecked services.

I also think the electorate didn't really look at what Labour said they would do, and thought they would come in and spend loads so are cross that didn't happen.. But they didn't promise that.

The Uk has shed 274,000 jobs this year, how is this good? Growth rate is expected to slow according to the bank of england. The tax rises were implemented in April, it will take time to see that feed through, expect more job losses. Unemployment is up. I’ll wait till the year is out before I start celebrating.

I’m not convinced frankly, I think Labour is going to load up with debt with no real reasoning behind it (COVID spending was massive). I think we are going to start having some very real problems because labour literally cannot tolerate restraint in any kind of spending.

It helps if you read before replying.

I said there was overspending during Covid. As someone who posted as such on here there was the usual Labour poster backlash. Perhaps you included.

I’ve been flagging up spending for a while. I think just let it fly if that’s what people are going for endlessly. Taxes and borrowing. See what happens.

ETA those that do want it can take accountability though.

You' ve flagged borrowing over the last 12 months, i raised, on here, bond yields under Sunak and pro Tory supporters didn't agree, it was all Covid, GFC and Ukraine!

Very few complained about Covid spending, certainly not in the early days, when most were scared and pre vaccine.

Sounds like we were both on the same page back then over this.

Interest rates are falling too, now i don't pretend, as Lab do, its all down to them but Reeves is seen as a competent pair of hands, yesterday markets were angry when Starmer didn't back her, today, fully backed, markets returned to normal.

Compare to Truss?

Markets doing well has absolutely nothing to do with Laniur 🤣🤣. Rather investors fleeing Trump uncertainty to Europe, UK and others.

Nope I don’t know how committed you are to reading up on posters but I said spending was too high during pandemic.

Idc if you need to find posts or not, your choice.

I’ve already said go for it. Labour £70bn tax and borrowing last budget and you and others demanding more. Let it unfold.

Austerity

Austerity? They were massively over spending.

Whoever won the last GE would have had to raise taxes and borrow more, if for nothing else defence spend, again something i disagreed with the Cons on, they just kept cutting defence, even after Ukraine invasion.

I don't recall your name from the Covid boards, i don't follow MN that keenly! and of course you may have named changed but the general feeling was the support was necessary, my concern was later spending - PPE, Business support, Eat out to Help out, the utter chaos surrounding rules - a great deal of fraud, written off by the last Govt.

It also now appears that Austerity has ended up costing us far more than any savings eg roads, they are now in such a state they may never be fixed or if they are, it'll cost 10s of billions.
Same with public buildings and NHS equipment.

Good I’m glad you don’t. I’m not going to share.

But yes I was one of the few who said spending was high and the backlash was extreme.

Labour have taxed more, borrowed more and still demands are high for that again so we’ll see how they deal with backbenchers and the next budget.

It’s your party in power, go with it and see what happens.

Do you also think it should be vouchers for child benefit and child element of universal credit so it can only be spent on the child

Austerity was needed AT THE TIME.

Covid lockdowns and support were needed AT THE TIME

Trouble is both went on for far too long. It was as if the government at the time couldn't stop it.

Re Austerity, Labour also promised the same (if not worse) levels of austerity under Ed Milliband.

All developed/western countries had huge covid support grants/subsidies otherwise their economies would have collapsed.

But as I say, they went on for too long. Austerity should have been just one term of office and then the spending taps opened again. The first lockdown should have been enough - after all it was "only" to flatten the peaks - yet it morphed almost into zero covid and no one dying.

Don't write sensible answers people won't like it threads like these are only created by people who have no idea of the realities of being severely disabled and the pip process and are just looking at excuses to be abeist as their sad in their own lives.

I think Starmer is right wing of the party, and getting his arse kicked, as he should.