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Lovely man, who on the face of it doesn't have a lot going for him.

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Wayetblue · 01/07/2025 09:28

Bear with me and I'll try and explain.

I'm a middle aged woman, financially and practically independent. I don't "need" a man and tbh in many ways prefer life without one, I certainly wasn't looking for one.

Then I met this man through a sport. One of many things I took up to "rebuild" and create this independent life for myself.

He's also middle aged, a bit younger than me, never married, no kids (which whilst may raise eyebrows has its pluses!) does some interesting work, but only works enough to keep the wolf from the door and pay for his trips etc, doesn't plan for the future or own his home, for example. He has a good single lifestyle, nice car and holidays, and pays his way, but he's not well set up. But I'm not looking for a financially sound life partner to.e.g. have a family with.

So, there's the cons. On the plus side, he's keen to see me, makes plans and sticks to them, completely reliable, i never feel anxious a out whether he'll call, doesnt play games, does loads of the "wife work", the admin of arranging a weekend away or a night out with friends. He has loads of ideas for fun things to do and makes them happen.

He manages to respect my independence and is happy for me to do things alone or with friends (including male friends) at the same time as letting me know he loves being with me. He manages to achieve that without ever making me feel bad for doing things without him, which may well be as it should be but I don't think that's always the case?

He's very supportive about anything I want to achieve and being with him is just comfortable. We have fun together and do interesting things, but doing "nothing" together is lovely too. He's also very kind to others. Through the sport we know some unusual people, e.g a young man with learning difficulties and some people with autism. He always goes out of his way to talk to those that others ignore, and include them in plans.

This weekend was the anniversary of a very difficult date for me. We went to a "thing" with a lot of mutual friends and aquaintances. It's what he loves, being with people, I find it more difficult, although I enjoy it once I'm there, I have to work at it, and this wasn't a good day for me, so I wasn't feeling great about it. We arrived together, he said some kind words and then we circulated seperately. It was all good, and every time I started to struggle he popped up by my shoulder to check on me, either chat with me for a bit or support the conversation I was having. It was like he was completely tuned into what I needed in that moment.

So, outwardly he's not a good catch, but things have been so good.

Now having written this out I realise my concerns are ridiculous, and he adds so much to my life, but I still think many on MN would think he's one to throw back because financially, I'm likely to carry the load, especially, as we approach old age/retirement.

I haven't really asked, but I suspect his retirement plans are mostly based on an anticipated inheritance. I don't love that about him, but it will be significant, even if his parent lives long and needs a lot of care,so I can kind of see why he might not worry about it, and the way he lives for the moment is one of the things that makes him good for me at this stage in life.

OP posts:
sandrafarringdon66 · 01/07/2025 12:54

Dig into his family's wealth and see what he's going to inherit. If it's big stick with him, if not then don't move in or marry the guy. I know it sounds materialistic but you're the one who opened a thread asking if you should dump a great guy just because he has no big assets...

Kwean · 01/07/2025 12:55

iamnotalemon · 01/07/2025 12:52

I’m female mid 40s, no children and never been married. There are reasons for it - mainly a lot of bad luck relationship wise, it doesn’t make me a walking red flag.

No one said it did?

I would say it indicates emotional intelligence and agency to extricate yourself from difficult situations.

Sevenamcoffee · 01/07/2025 12:59

Re care home fees, I suppose he’s hoping to care for them himself, which could end up being difficult. But it’s also possible the house could be disregarded depending on his age and circumstances when the time comes.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Kwean · 01/07/2025 13:00

Willowbull2025 · 01/07/2025 12:43

I created an account just to reply to this thread!!!

This was my -now - husband when we met 7 years ago! Like to a T! He seemed an all round good guy, nice car, nice holidays, lived with a family member, never married, no kids. And he’s short!!! I kept trying to talk myself out of getting into a relationship with him as - to me - not having married or having kids by the age of 40 was weird. He hadnt even had a long term relationship, just dated on and off. Always short term.

I - ln the other hand - was a 40 year old divorcee with 2 kids.

If you ask him now, he will freely admit - he had his heart broken in his early 20s by a girl - and just couldn’t be bothered with the hassle anymore. Then we met randomly and he says he knew i was “his one”.

No-one, not his family, friends, acquaintances, thought he would ever settle down. He was the “Joey from Friends living with monica and chandler” scenario. Then after 4 years, he proposed totally out of blue. We have been married for 3 years, my kids love him and we have 2 dogs who are “our kids”. We have a lovely life and, whilst i wish sometimes we had met earlier, I know we met at exactly the right time.

Don’t self sabotage something that doesn’t “fit” how you think life should be. Give it a try…what have you got to lose!

Thats a wonderful story @Willowbull2025.

However did he have any financial security? Pensions? Investments?

Selfsetfree · 01/07/2025 13:03

It sounds like he is aware of your needs and feelings. That I would think is a big plus. Just don’t move in with him! Having separate homes at middle age is a good thing. You don’t have a reason to live together. His retirement will be his issue not yours. Just stick to your plan oh and enjoy it! Sounds like you are doing a lot of thinking.

SapporoBaby · 01/07/2025 13:04

He sounds great. Not everyone wants to live to work or own a home. Just don’t marry him!

Ihopeyouhavent · 01/07/2025 13:05

I wouldnt have any problems with what you've mentioned, except his height.

Shelby2010 · 01/07/2025 13:08

He sounds perfect!

I’ve learnt to judge men by the relationships that they have with their family.

Stop doubting & enjoy your life together.

AgnesX · 01/07/2025 13:10

Why don't you just enjoy it while it lasts. It sounds like he's got a good work life balance, he's happy and well adjusted, kind and decent. And he's good to you.

If not having kids or a mortgage is more important than all of those plus points then fair enough, just move on.

WhatdoesitmeanKeith · 01/07/2025 13:15

Ihopeyouhavent · 01/07/2025 13:05

I wouldnt have any problems with what you've mentioned, except his height.

What about the fact the OP is considering the fact he might be gay? I’m starting to think I’m the only person that read that bit.

SomethingFun · 01/07/2025 13:19

Personally I couldn’t have more than a bit of fun with someone who has had all life’s advantages thrown at their feet and then just spaffed them away. I wouldn’t be able to respect them. A life of pleasing yourself and always knowing you have plenty of someone else’s money to fall back on isn’t something I can relate to.

What happens when he doesn’t get his own way? Or spending time with you isn’t always fun anymore?

Also generally the bar for men is so fucking low. The heart eyes on here because he is aware that other people have feelings and he takes his elderly dad to the doctors is insane. No one would praise a middle aged woman or consider her a catch for these things - they’d be a minimum expectation.

Caduz · 01/07/2025 13:21

no kids is a massive plus

Exactly.

And for me personally as someone with kids wouldn’t date someone with kids but if he likes it I love it or whatever lol

InvitingMattress · 01/07/2025 13:22

WhatdoesitmeanKeith · 01/07/2025 13:15

What about the fact the OP is considering the fact he might be gay? I’m starting to think I’m the only person that read that bit.

Yes. It’s not entirely clear why the PP thinks her boyfriend might be gay, though. Other than not much of a record of relationships with women and strong male friendships?

FluffykinsTheFerociousFeralFelineFury · 01/07/2025 13:25

Your partner sounds nice. Just so long as you aren't his retirement plan.

PotolKimchi · 01/07/2025 13:25

So this is actually a man that earns well (OP says as much as her) and so isn't destitute by any means. He's then fortunate that he doesn't have a mortgage so he has a lot more disposable income which he's felt comfortable in spending while OP has saved (but then OP also has had kids and more responsibilities in life). Nothing about this suggests that he's a cocklodger. He's educated, he earns well, he looks after his parents, he's a considerate partner to OP and doesn't impose himself.

OP isn't planning to marry him and he's happy with OP's stipulation that they are never going to live together.

I don't really see what the problem is...

Caduz · 01/07/2025 13:27

iamnotalemon · 01/07/2025 12:52

I’m female mid 40s, no children and never been married. There are reasons for it - mainly a lot of bad luck relationship wise, it doesn’t make me a walking red flag.

Of course. I find it weird that people are essentially saying someone with a failed marriage and children - that they may not even have raised full time - are somehow less of a red flag and automatically better relationship material than someone who may have been responsible and discerning.

Send all the forties men with no kids or previous marriages my way then 😂

Also 3 of my male friends in their late 30s/early 40s got married to women of a similar age and are absolutely lovely men and their wives and children agree!

ETA: of course there are some people who are avoidant and have alcohol problems etc and that’s why they aren’t married but then look at the relationship boards - many of these people get married too and create absolute chaos.

Caduz · 01/07/2025 13:30

Caduz · 01/07/2025 13:21

no kids is a massive plus

Exactly.

And for me personally as someone with kids wouldn’t date someone with kids but if he likes it I love it or whatever lol

That was meant to be “as someone who doesn’t have kids”

Crunchienuts · 01/07/2025 13:30

You can enjoy spending time with someone without moving in together or mixing finances. Make your expectations clear so he doesn’t think this is leading somewhere it isn’t.

Caduz · 01/07/2025 13:34

JHound · 01/07/2025 12:07

“He's also middle aged, a bit younger than me, never married, no kids (which whilst may raise eyebrows has its pluses!) ”

Why would any of this raise eyebrows?

Yeah it’s a bit odd. It seems as if him not having a string of children he sees EOW or a failed marriage isn’t seen as an asset by some people.

Edited - I thought Op was one of those people but it appears she’s not and was just preempting what MN might say

JHound · 01/07/2025 13:35

Wayetblue · 01/07/2025 11:24

I agree with you completely on the height, but also know very many women don't.

I get the point on height. I am slightly taller than you and while I have dated men shorter than me I constantly felt uncomfortable, especially in heels. I know it should not matter but I have zero control over my feelings on the matter and cannot make myself feel comfortable. Especially as I have a naturally “solid” build so always felt “mannish” compared to my smaller blokes.
But I did learn to try and not pay attention to that feeling. (And if I could not I would end things and not worry as my preferences and feelings impact only me.)

And honestly nobody is staring or cares about your height difference. It will just be in your head

JHound · 01/07/2025 13:37

Kwean · 01/07/2025 12:55

No one said it did?

I would say it indicates emotional intelligence and agency to extricate yourself from difficult situations.

OP did in her post as did another PP above.

JHound · 01/07/2025 13:37

SeriaMau · 01/07/2025 12:32

Imagine the genders reversed… Would you be saying not to get married? I wonder…

Yes - I would.

User2488898 · 01/07/2025 13:42

Hi op I would wonder if there has been some commitmentphobia in the past which is why he hasn't married or had kids... also would worry he has been sort of infantilised by not having to be financially independent. I say the latter because my brother is the same and it has stunted his growth and development in life somewhat. Because of the circumstances I would delay becoming deeply emotionally involved if possible until I had got to know him very well and got to see him at his worst which can take time. However life is for living and it seems as though he enjoys life and that is a v good thing. Proceed with caution but most importantly enjoy yourself! Ps I am also 5 foot 7 and have had smaller men interested in me in the dim and distant past... there is nothing that unusual about that part I don't think as long as you are comfortable with it!

Henbags · 01/07/2025 13:43

Just out of interest, what is his actual age? You refer to "middle aged" but that can be anywhere between 40 and 60.

JHound · 01/07/2025 13:43

iamnotalemon · 01/07/2025 12:52

I’m female mid 40s, no children and never been married. There are reasons for it - mainly a lot of bad luck relationship wise, it doesn’t make me a walking red flag.

Same.

Although I did have a man once tell me, me not having kids at my age was a red flag. Being discerning is apparently a red flag.

Some people are just unlucky.