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Lovely man, who on the face of it doesn't have a lot going for him.

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Wayetblue · 01/07/2025 09:28

Bear with me and I'll try and explain.

I'm a middle aged woman, financially and practically independent. I don't "need" a man and tbh in many ways prefer life without one, I certainly wasn't looking for one.

Then I met this man through a sport. One of many things I took up to "rebuild" and create this independent life for myself.

He's also middle aged, a bit younger than me, never married, no kids (which whilst may raise eyebrows has its pluses!) does some interesting work, but only works enough to keep the wolf from the door and pay for his trips etc, doesn't plan for the future or own his home, for example. He has a good single lifestyle, nice car and holidays, and pays his way, but he's not well set up. But I'm not looking for a financially sound life partner to.e.g. have a family with.

So, there's the cons. On the plus side, he's keen to see me, makes plans and sticks to them, completely reliable, i never feel anxious a out whether he'll call, doesnt play games, does loads of the "wife work", the admin of arranging a weekend away or a night out with friends. He has loads of ideas for fun things to do and makes them happen.

He manages to respect my independence and is happy for me to do things alone or with friends (including male friends) at the same time as letting me know he loves being with me. He manages to achieve that without ever making me feel bad for doing things without him, which may well be as it should be but I don't think that's always the case?

He's very supportive about anything I want to achieve and being with him is just comfortable. We have fun together and do interesting things, but doing "nothing" together is lovely too. He's also very kind to others. Through the sport we know some unusual people, e.g a young man with learning difficulties and some people with autism. He always goes out of his way to talk to those that others ignore, and include them in plans.

This weekend was the anniversary of a very difficult date for me. We went to a "thing" with a lot of mutual friends and aquaintances. It's what he loves, being with people, I find it more difficult, although I enjoy it once I'm there, I have to work at it, and this wasn't a good day for me, so I wasn't feeling great about it. We arrived together, he said some kind words and then we circulated seperately. It was all good, and every time I started to struggle he popped up by my shoulder to check on me, either chat with me for a bit or support the conversation I was having. It was like he was completely tuned into what I needed in that moment.

So, outwardly he's not a good catch, but things have been so good.

Now having written this out I realise my concerns are ridiculous, and he adds so much to my life, but I still think many on MN would think he's one to throw back because financially, I'm likely to carry the load, especially, as we approach old age/retirement.

I haven't really asked, but I suspect his retirement plans are mostly based on an anticipated inheritance. I don't love that about him, but it will be significant, even if his parent lives long and needs a lot of care,so I can kind of see why he might not worry about it, and the way he lives for the moment is one of the things that makes him good for me at this stage in life.

OP posts:
Mirabai · 01/07/2025 12:30

What you call financial freedom is actually a financial trap in the long run. If his parents’ house equity goes in care fees he has no house and no pension.

Of course he’s being nice to you, he can see which side his bread is buttered.

In the short term this relationship suits you and has its advantages. In the long run though, the unavoidable reality is him moving in with you and sharing your pension, because he literally won’t have any other resources.

If you think you can have fun right now and not get too involved fine. But if break up further down the line will cause distress and angst, better to find someone more responsible to invest in.

SeriaMau · 01/07/2025 12:32

Sandy420 · 01/07/2025 10:38

Don't marry him and don't merge finances. Beyond that, have a great time. There's nothing wrong with not having kids.

Imagine the genders reversed… Would you be saying not to get married? I wonder…

Mirabai · 01/07/2025 12:32

Wayetblue · 01/07/2025 11:10

He moved back to his parents at a time when we weren't allowed to see anyone we didn't share a household with...

I see him not having children as a plus, but often on MN a middle-aged man who's never married or had kids is considered a red flag.

How long had been away from his parents though?

His pattern is likely to be moving in with women and then going back to his parents when the relationship ends.

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KPPlumbing · 01/07/2025 12:33

Why on earth does it "raise eyebrows" that he's never had children?! It's not 1950.
I've never had children (through choice), and to think I might be described in such terms is absurd!

Mirabai · 01/07/2025 12:34

SeriaMau · 01/07/2025 12:32

Imagine the genders reversed… Would you be saying not to get married? I wonder…

If the genders were reversed I would equally be advising a man against marrying a woman with no home, no pension, who lives with her parents, yes.

Kwean · 01/07/2025 12:34

Wayetblue · 01/07/2025 12:25

I see him most days but he'll come round for a cuppa between jobs or after we've both been to training in the evenings, for a couple of hours TV. He stays at weekends but we'll do something seperately during the day at least once over the weekend.

Sounds like a teenager using you to escape his parents.

The gay thing is curious - why did those thoughts pop into your head?

honeypancake · 01/07/2025 12:35

So what, there is rarely financial equality. You don't have to give up your assets but you can also decide if you want to spend your retirement alone with plenty of cash or together with someone otherwise very compatible but sharing the pot.

honeylulu · 01/07/2025 12:35

He sounds nice. The lack of assets and ambition would bother me if I was looking for someone to buy a home/ have a family with but you aren't. He doesn't sound like a cocklodger either. Why not just enjoy his company. If you stop enjoying his company for whatever reason it will be easy to extricate yourself as you wont share a home/ marriage/children.

The height thing wouldn't bother me at all. I've always felt baffled as to why it's "better" to be tall. Most of my partners have been on the shorter side including my husband and I don't really give it a thought.

pinkyredrose · 01/07/2025 12:35

He sounds lovely. As you don't 'need' a man and dont want to live together why don't you stop worrying and just enjoy his company?

Mirabai · 01/07/2025 12:36

SayLaveee · 01/07/2025 11:18

Im not trying to make a value judgment on whether someone is Good or Bad.

Im just saying the qualities you list him as having are pretty frivolous. Like, great: he's gregarious. What else? You're describing him as someone who is rock sure and steady, but really if you read back over your OP, you're just talking about someone who is a social butterfly with a sunny disposition, which is great, but it doesn't actually speak to the fundamental base qualities that make a good partner. That's just my opinion though.

Yep.

User868473 · 01/07/2025 12:38

Every middle aged man I know who doesn't have kids and was never married actually does have a glaring reason why they don't.

One is a recovered alcoholic and prone to relapses but I'm sure this isn't something he shares with new dating partners. At least 5 others have undiagnosed ADHD or ASD which makes settling down once the novelty of a new relationship has faded very difficult. One is a con artist who has defrauded business and romantic partners out of huge sums of money and then declares bankruptcy so they cannot chase him. The final one could actually be gay but would never admit to it, so has just drifted from relationship to relationship without settling down. Bear in mind all of these men are perfectly lovely if you meet them for the first time and the only thing they lack is a stable past (eg long term career, marriage, kids etc).

The way you describe this guy sounds almost like he's on his best behaviour for you. It gives off neurodivergent masking vibes and he's able to adapt his behaviour to appear very charming for a certain period of time. Obviously, being ND is not a dark secret or dealbreaker at all, but chances are you will find out more sides to him once the relationship progresses long enough.

Ohtobemycat · 01/07/2025 12:39

Why does any of this matter. Really, if you arent planning on having kids with him then his financial affairs are his own, as are yours.
If you looking from the outside and you were the man and he was the woman, what would you say to each person in the couple.
Ultimately too, if you end up as life partners, what does it matter who owns what.

Shatteredallthetimelately · 01/07/2025 12:40

I see him not having children as a plus, but often on MN a middle-aged man who's never married or had kids is considered a red flag.

My first thoughts were at least he didn't leave a trail of DC behind with past relationships.

SayLaveee · 01/07/2025 12:40

User868473 · 01/07/2025 12:38

Every middle aged man I know who doesn't have kids and was never married actually does have a glaring reason why they don't.

One is a recovered alcoholic and prone to relapses but I'm sure this isn't something he shares with new dating partners. At least 5 others have undiagnosed ADHD or ASD which makes settling down once the novelty of a new relationship has faded very difficult. One is a con artist who has defrauded business and romantic partners out of huge sums of money and then declares bankruptcy so they cannot chase him. The final one could actually be gay but would never admit to it, so has just drifted from relationship to relationship without settling down. Bear in mind all of these men are perfectly lovely if you meet them for the first time and the only thing they lack is a stable past (eg long term career, marriage, kids etc).

The way you describe this guy sounds almost like he's on his best behaviour for you. It gives off neurodivergent masking vibes and he's able to adapt his behaviour to appear very charming for a certain period of time. Obviously, being ND is not a dark secret or dealbreaker at all, but chances are you will find out more sides to him once the relationship progresses long enough.

I think thats unfair.

Willowbull2025 · 01/07/2025 12:43

I created an account just to reply to this thread!!!

This was my -now - husband when we met 7 years ago! Like to a T! He seemed an all round good guy, nice car, nice holidays, lived with a family member, never married, no kids. And he’s short!!! I kept trying to talk myself out of getting into a relationship with him as - to me - not having married or having kids by the age of 40 was weird. He hadnt even had a long term relationship, just dated on and off. Always short term.

I - ln the other hand - was a 40 year old divorcee with 2 kids.

If you ask him now, he will freely admit - he had his heart broken in his early 20s by a girl - and just couldn’t be bothered with the hassle anymore. Then we met randomly and he says he knew i was “his one”.

No-one, not his family, friends, acquaintances, thought he would ever settle down. He was the “Joey from Friends living with monica and chandler” scenario. Then after 4 years, he proposed totally out of blue. We have been married for 3 years, my kids love him and we have 2 dogs who are “our kids”. We have a lovely life and, whilst i wish sometimes we had met earlier, I know we met at exactly the right time.

Don’t self sabotage something that doesn’t “fit” how you think life should be. Give it a try…what have you got to lose!

YesHonestly · 01/07/2025 12:45

It’s almost like you’re looking for reasons not to proceed OP. You are self-sabotaging something that sounds really lovely.

pinkyredrose · 01/07/2025 12:46

Every middle aged man I know who doesn't have kids and was never married actually does have a glaring reason why they don't.

How about all the unmarried middle aged women you know who don't have children, is there a glaring reason for them too or did it just not happen for them?

Some men don't want to get married or have children or maybe they did but it just didn't happen for them.

noidea69 · 01/07/2025 12:47

i think its fine to just admit you are put off by him being short & living with his parents.

Kwean · 01/07/2025 12:48

User868473 · 01/07/2025 12:38

Every middle aged man I know who doesn't have kids and was never married actually does have a glaring reason why they don't.

One is a recovered alcoholic and prone to relapses but I'm sure this isn't something he shares with new dating partners. At least 5 others have undiagnosed ADHD or ASD which makes settling down once the novelty of a new relationship has faded very difficult. One is a con artist who has defrauded business and romantic partners out of huge sums of money and then declares bankruptcy so they cannot chase him. The final one could actually be gay but would never admit to it, so has just drifted from relationship to relationship without settling down. Bear in mind all of these men are perfectly lovely if you meet them for the first time and the only thing they lack is a stable past (eg long term career, marriage, kids etc).

The way you describe this guy sounds almost like he's on his best behaviour for you. It gives off neurodivergent masking vibes and he's able to adapt his behaviour to appear very charming for a certain period of time. Obviously, being ND is not a dark secret or dealbreaker at all, but chances are you will find out more sides to him once the relationship progresses long enough.

I agree with this - and another pattern I have noticed is that they then grift on elderly relatives. Seen it lots of times - even within my own family. The hedonistic son who leaves a trail of chaos behind him and mid-life lands back at home where they can have a comfy life practically and financially under the cover of 'caring' for their elderly parents. These types always have loads of charisma in order to tune into others to get what they want out of life in that moment.

I am sure I have read this thread before @Wayetblue - or maybe its a common scenario?

5128gap · 01/07/2025 12:49

Why would you carry the load financially? Surely you just carry on as you, two mature people with their own lives and independence sharing parts if their lives with each other? Is he pushing for greater commitment? Moving in/marriage? Because if not, you don't have a problem. If that changes down the line, you may feel differently anyway. People bring different things to a relationship, it's not all about money, and you may actually reach a point where you don't mind inputting more financially as he gives back in other ways. And if you don't, you carry on as you are, or split up then.

dietmonkey · 01/07/2025 12:49

pinkyredrose · 01/07/2025 12:46

Every middle aged man I know who doesn't have kids and was never married actually does have a glaring reason why they don't.

How about all the unmarried middle aged women you know who don't have children, is there a glaring reason for them too or did it just not happen for them?

Some men don't want to get married or have children or maybe they did but it just didn't happen for them.

Exactly! My friend is mid 40's, never married, no kids, but she's an absolutely lovely woman, who has just had bad luck with men! She's in a top job, earns good money, owns her own home, had loads of friends and hobbies. The men she has dated have all treated her badly. A few of my customers fall into this bracket as well. It can simply be bad luck!

iamnotalemon · 01/07/2025 12:51

He sounds like a great guy to me but it’s natural to be worried about the finances. Just keep your houses separate until you know more about his financials!

iamnotalemon · 01/07/2025 12:52

I’m female mid 40s, no children and never been married. There are reasons for it - mainly a lot of bad luck relationship wise, it doesn’t make me a walking red flag.

Richiewoo · 01/07/2025 12:53

Keep the relationship going. Dont live with him and dont mix fiances

greencartbluecart · 01/07/2025 12:54

My DH was middle aged and had never married
the glaring reason was that he spent more time caring for other members of his family and enjoying his life than looking for a partner. He was content with himself until I busted on the scene