1,000 new PIP claims per day?

[flashbac]

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

@llizzie - You have now been provided with literally dozens of official and authoritative links. Why do you continue to argue that you are correct when every single link from an official site says that you are wrong?

What's the alternative to google, Ai and the rest? The local reference library? A subscription to Encyclopedia Britannica? How do you know they contain up to date facts?

Perhaps Hansard?

The fraudulent part of Ai is mainly the made up photos which discredit famous people. There is also fake news, but it has to be relevant to a subject in the news.

What would be the point in google Ai and others giving out wrong information to questions asked?

The alternative to the incorrect AI information you posted is accurate information from reliable sources - I have provided you with multiple links with accurate information from reliable sources.

AI gives incorrect information about lots of things not related to photographs, famous people or fake news. For example, as I pointed out on another thread where someone used AI to write a post, it gets the current rate of benefits wrong and when claims are backdated to.

No one is making you stay

You repeatedly insisted you were right and I was wrong, even when I copied and pasted what was on the internet, in order not to get it wrong. Over and over you demanded an admission of guilt and an apology, and I was not prepared to do that, because your info came from the same place as mine.

Eventually I gave you what you were demanding - three bags full, sir - and what did you do? You had them removed. What were you afraid of? You had you pound of flesh. Didn't I grovel enough?

At least I know you read them. Speech is free. There was nothing inflammable in what I said. How could there be? You wanted me to capitulate, and I did, but that wasn't enough for you. Don't you realise that your constant posts to me and your insistence that I was wrong and you were right were read by others who can draw their own conclusions?

You're actually wrecking what was a good, informative thread @llizzie

First with your constantly incorrect statements and then with your nonsense when folks dared point out when you were wrong - with proper links to show.

It's not the @llizzie show 🙄

because your info came from the same place as mine.

Other people's info coming from Gov.uk - proper sources - was not remotely the same as your factually incorrect chatGPT links.

@llizzie multiple posters have said you are wrong because you are wrong. Yes, readers are free to read your repeated insistence disabled working age people can receive winter fuel allowance when that is not true.

No-one else got their information from AI.

I have provided you with the link to the government’s page on winter fuel allowance and quoted an excerpt giving you the eligibility criteria to show that you are wrong.

The only information you gave that was the same as one of the links I provided was the link to the government’s page on cold weather payments, which, as point out, is an entirely different payment.

I think you're mistaking me with another poster my love

Don't you realise that your constant posts to me and your insistence that I was wrong and you were right were read by others who can draw their own conclusions?

Definitely drawing our own conclusions thank you, based on the actual facts and not made up rubbish - whether it was you or AI made it up it was wrong and you simply refuse to accept that.

From your other posts:
"Don't worry about it. If you protest against it, the poster has your post withdrawn. Only their post is kept, and it always appears they are correct.
That is what some posters do on mumsnet. They don't care if you or they are correct or not. It is how they crowd in onto a poster and try to turn others against them.
It is a game. A bullying game. Mumsnet allows posters to see all the posts a person has posted on all threads, and they resurrect old threads and continue the bullying."

That isn't resurrecting an old post by the way, it was yesterday. Accusing people of bullying you because they kept correcting your incorrect information. Your posts were removed, as I recall on several occasions for nasty comments directed towards other posters and racism. Not because people have simply "protested". And then...

"I have added that username to my list. It is a shame, really that we have to go through all the posts on a thread to see who is posting, because it isn't worth it to be constantly accused of being wrong, even with personal experience."

Keeping a list of people who correct your incorrect statements? Because that sounds more like you bullying others. There really is a very simple way of not being "constantly accused of being wrong" - stop posting incorrect information and insisting it is correct even when people prove to you that it isn't.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5366631-cousin-coerced-into-marriage-advice-needed?page=6

Keeping a list of posters is bizarre.

Not to mention I can’t see anyone on this thread demanded an admission of guilt and an apology. Posters posted that poster was wrong, yes, because they are, but posters haven’t demanded an admission of guilt and an apology.

I didn’t report the deleted posts, so I certainly didn’t have them removed. I didn’t even see what the last one said.

I didn’t report the deleted posts, so I certainly didn’t have them removed. I didn’t even see what the last one said.

Me neither. If and when I report a post I say so - as in a couple of the racist posts that I did report. Nor does MNHQ remove posts when they are simply disagreements - in fact if anything MNHQ frequently do not remove even offensive posts that are reported. As evidenced by a number of posters complaining about ableism on this and other threads.

Folks, can we draw a line now please? The personal remarks are derailing the thread, and it's turning into a bunfight.

The sad thing is that few employers want to be bothered with the disabled.

A real question for the government is how to persuade employers to employ disabled people?

Are you sure? I have just been accepted and as far as I can see up to three drivers can be insured to drive under the scheme.

They are mocking me too. I can't say right for doing wrong. I like to think I can take it, but why should I?

I was born a 2kg premature baby and started at a school for disabled children. It didn't stop me, but sometimes you have to admit defeat and make the most.

It isn't that it matters posting some info which has changed so rapidly or is wrong, but they won't let it rest if you do, and then when you do grovel, they don't like the way you grovel! Perhaps they just haven't had to fight enough in life?

UC/ESA isn’t for disability. What are you actually on?

"You can apply for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) if you have a disability or health condition that affects how much you can work."

www.gov.uk/employment-support-allowance#:~:text=You%20can%20apply%20for%20Employment,if%20you're%20able%20to

ESA (now new style ESA for new claimants) and UC absolutely are the income replacement benefits for disabled people who cannot work.

Correcting a mistake or mistruth is not mocking.

Correcting a mistake or mistruth is not mocking.

Well said @ARichtGoodDram.

Absolutely nothing to do with how much anyone has to fight in life.

Yes I am sure. I am a driver and I also have three other people as named drivers. I live alone and don't normally have someone else to drive, not do I need it. But I often travel around to friends and my 3 best friends are named drivers because after driving a long way I prefer to not drive for a day or two, and their cars are not suitable for me. I have been doing this since 2018.

We have an open policy for DS1’s motability vehicle. So not limited to 3 drivers.