1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

Wow. I have severe dyspraxia but i would never consider myself SMI. I'm married with dc and i manage ok with help from DH. Dh has autism so there are things that i need to help him with too. Thankfully between us we can do almost anything.

What annoys me is when people say that they could claim PIP/DLA but they don't because they want to save the government money.

Why does that annoy you?

Ermmm - sarcasm? I have a motability car thank you, and know how it works. However your earlier said " If you are not able to drive yourself, you can have up to three drivers with clean driving licenses and no criminal record.." That is not accurate. You may have named drivers whether or not you are able to drive yourself.

By virtue of you being able to write a message on here you couldn’t be SMI.

If you become disabled after state pension age (SPA), there is no access to the Motability scheme. However, my understanding is if you were awarded PIP at any stage before SPA, it will continue ad infinitum. So two people at 70, with the same mobility issues, get very different help. If the Motability scheme is primarily to help people get to work, why is it continued into old age?

It’s the same with bus/travel passes. There are time limitations on those issued to people over SPA, no travel before 9.30am etc., but if someone has a disability pass prior to SPA, unrestricted travel continues. The unrestricted travel time is obviously necessary for working people.

Probably because they have no idea werher they would have Been awarded in the first place ( many people despite whst they say don't really understand the criteria for DLA/PIP)
Yet they are acting a "martyr" for saving the government money.

I don’t think it’s martyred to say you don’t claim a benefit. It just means you’ve chosen to cover an expense yourself rather than ask the tax payer to do so.

My point is they may well have never been entitled to it in the first place but are patting themselves on the back for not claiming a benefit that they might not be entitled too.
Many people are not aware of the criteria and assume they would be awarded becsuse they have a diagnosis which isn't the case.

I wonder this and why there is such a two tier system amongst pensioners now. If you have a bad stroke a couple of months before turning pension age you could potentially get both components of PIP for the rest of your life, wheras if this happens a day after you turn pension age you not only have to wait six months to apply but can only get Attendance Allowance with no mobility component. I work in an office with a helpline for older people with benefit queries and this is something we get the most moans about. Everyone wants the motorbility car. A lot of older people continue to drive well into their seventies and eighties and are really aggrieved when they see their neighbour with similar mobility problems getting either twice as much disability payments or a car in lieu of payments. It is very often for similar things like arthiritis.
It is a really unfair two tier system but realistically what can they do now they have been giving people PIP for years ? There would be an outcry if the mobility component was stopped at state pension age .. Then we still have a significant number of very old people who still get the old DLA mobility, The number still on highest rates of mobility component is significant. So the ones on DLA often getting £175+ a week, those on PIP potentially getting similar and the ones only on AA getting a max of £110.

I have PIP and a motability vehicle. I retired last year and receive SP. If I were to lose my PIP at review I would definitely qualify for AA - but I do not want "attending", I want independence. My car, possibly more than anything else, is my lifeline to that. I have no family, and couldn't visit friends and activities without it. I am unable to manage public transport, and mobility scooters have limited range and reliability. Maintaining independence is better for my health, and is actually cheaper for the state - if and when I get to the stage of needing that "attendance" it will cost the state a hell of a lot more than my car does. The Motability scheme is not about getting to work - that may be one facet of it, but it is only one. The key facet is enabling a person with disabilities the opportunity to engage in the many activities and opportunities life affords and which able-bodied people take for granted they should be able to access. That is why the scheme is limited to those whose disabilities are such that they would be unable to use other means of transport.

Sorry, posted before I'd properly finished. It annoys me because before you apply, you don't know if you will get DLA or not so you cant say that your child would get it without applying. One of the people i was talking about admits they don't need dla, says the extra care their child needs takes about 15 minutes a day etc so they most likely wouldn't get it anyway. And it annoys me because they think i should do the same as them, for my child who needs constant supervision during the day and is up at night too.

Plenty of pensioners still work

Yes one of my recent clients was 81 and still working as a paid carer for a few hours a week. was working until he sadly died.

Yes, that as well. I'm trying to think if you could get more dyspraxic than me and maybe qualify under the SMI rules but I'm almost certain you would have to have another condition as well.

@elliejjtiny and @x2boys Im sure their are twits like you describe but I know lots of people including myself who don’t or didn’t apply despite knowing their child obviously qualifies.

I don't think so
Dyspraxia,may cover the arrested or incomplete development of the brain component for DLA ( not sure )
But you would also have to show severe mental impairment
ADHD now apparently covers the arrested or incomplete development of the brain component now
So there will be loads if people trying to apply because their child has a diagnosis of it failing to understand that there is a lot more to it than just having ADHD.

Sorry, i didn't think of that, it only annoys me when people are really smug about how they are saving the government from bankruptcy by not claiming dla for their child who doesn't need it and wouldn't qualify for it anyway.

I’m surprised at the ADHD now qualifying for the arrested development of the brain part. I suppose it will help the ones who don’t actually have the ASD diagnosis yet, but it probably will encourage more to apply for HRM under SMI. Many believe being a couple of years behind on their learning is enough too for the severe mental impairment (when it’s obviously so much more than being slightly behind).

I know lots if people don't understand just how impaired a child has to be I find it frustrating
And you can't tell them.

I have no issue with that, of course you want independence. The question was more to do with someone who applies for the first time, say at 68, with the same condition, but can only access AA.

@Miley23 you’ve nailed it!

They do, but if their claim for disability benefits starts any time after they reach SPA they won’t be entitled to the same as a colleague of the same age on DLA or PIP. See the post by @Miley23

I used to know someone who qualified for DLA under SMI. They also posted on a forum I used to frequent and had a blog

How bizarre. A child being able to use a tablet can be a no from DWP because they’re not deemed to be severely mentally impaired, or if they’re able to make a choice.

I've seen so many SMI claims refused on DLA FB groups for things like that.

My son was diagnosed at 2, has never said one single word (he’s 10 now), can’t use cutlery, doubly incontinent, at a special school and is in the sensory class there (no learning, just all sensory play), needs restraining at school because of his violence towards adults when he has a meltdown, doesn’t interact with any children at the school at all, can’t communicate his needs, has a 30 second attention span, still needs 1:1 in school for most tasks, and works entirely to his own agenda (from his EHCP).
When I applied for mobility for him because he will not stand and queue for anything, starts being horrendous in taxis (endangering the driver), DWP said no because they didn’t believe he was SMI because his EHCP said he would choose his own cup in the morning (a red one out of a choice of 4).
They said because he could choose that he couldn’t be severely mentally impaired, I had to do a mandatory reconsideration.
The criteria is (rightly) very tough.