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1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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flashbac · 30/06/2025 10:21

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

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llizzie · 04/07/2025 18:06

TigerRag · 02/07/2025 12:30

Only if their partner is pension age

if you have a long-term health condition or disability that meets the eligibility criteria for PIP and you also need financial support due to low income or unemployment, you can claim both benefits simultaneously.

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 18:20

@llizzie I think you are confused.

Working age adults aren’t eligible for Winter Fuel Payments. That is for people who are state pension age. See here.

Some working age adults are eligible for cold weather payments. See here. But that is completely different to WFP.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 20:33

llizzie · 04/07/2025 16:07

You posts gives the impression that it is possible to already be in UK to claim asylum.

Wouldn't you have to tell them when you came, how you got here and where you were living while here?

Arriving in an airport or port and immediately claiming asylum is really the only way, because you can prove you just arrived.

Good for French Police today!!

My posts absolutely don’t give that impression. The reason we have such a problem with small boat crossings is the removal off external processing centres by the tories.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 20:35

llizzie · 04/07/2025 18:06

if you have a long-term health condition or disability that meets the eligibility criteria for PIP and you also need financial support due to low income or unemployment, you can claim both benefits simultaneously.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, honestly.

You can claim PIP and UC simultaneously? Yes, you can. I’m not sure that was being debated though.

llizzie · 04/07/2025 20:54

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 20:33

My posts absolutely don’t give that impression. The reason we have such a problem with small boat crossings is the removal off external processing centres by the tories.

Didn't you praise the immigrants, saying they were entitled? Now you call them a nuisance.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 21:02

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 13:40

@Fsfaava I haven’t watched the programme, but it can’t be PIP if it was about working or not.

Edited

2009 was before PIP - PIP was 2013. I didn't watch enough of it to work out what he was applying for, because it was just awful viewing.

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 21:05

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 21:02

2009 was before PIP - PIP was 2013. I didn't watch enough of it to work out what he was applying for, because it was just awful viewing.

I know when PIP was introduced. As I said, I didn’t watch the link, so I don’t know when it was aired. I mentioned PIP because that is the benefit the pp mentioned.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 21:06

llizzie · 04/07/2025 16:10

Yet you would rather the benefits were cut to pay for accommodating immigrants?

Edited

I would rather that racists convoluting arguments with untrue "facts" didn't exist, but we can't have everything we want.

And since I did not say any such thing, stop making up things I have said.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 21:12

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 21:05

I know when PIP was introduced. As I said, I didn’t watch the link, so I don’t know when it was aired. I mentioned PIP because that is the benefit the pp mentioned.

I assumed you were reading the posts because I had already pointed out it was aired in 2009....before PIP

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 21:17

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 21:12

I assumed you were reading the posts because I had already pointed out it was aired in 2009....before PIP

Your post saying it was in 2013 was only posted 3 minutes before I posted. I had already read the post of the person who quoted me and started to reply to them by the time you posted!

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 21:30

*in 2009

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 21:33

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llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:13

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 12:38

This. My grandma gets attendance allowance. She spends it on nothing. She could use it to pay for a cleaner as she can't do it herself. Instead she lets it accumulate in her bank account, along with her state pension. She absolutely doesn't need it but remains adamant she does and this can't be questioned because of her age. The same is true of her WFA. She is always hundreds in credit with British Gas. She will continue to receive WFA this year because she only gets a state pension and has no other 'income'...what she does have is over a quarter of a million pounds in the bank from the sale of her right to buy council house.

Perhaps she just needs to feel secure. Those in receipt of benefit just have to need it. The DWP does not want to know what you spend it on.

You can, or someone close, can get an enduring power of attorney and use it to get a cleaner, if you think she is incapable and the house is dirty and her health is in danger from the dust.

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:15

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 20:33

My posts absolutely don’t give that impression. The reason we have such a problem with small boat crossings is the removal off external processing centres by the tories.

Your post disagreed with mine. You said people already in the UK could apply for asylum. It needed qualifying, for the posters on here who don't know.

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:20

Fsfaava · 04/07/2025 17:08

Is the welfare bill THAT high though?

So the government tell us. We only have their word for it that making cuts will save enough money to pay for migrant accommodation. They don't actually say as much, just that the second is so high and they cannot lower it.

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:37

Seymour5 · 04/07/2025 07:57

If you become disabled after state pension age (SPA), there is no access to the Motability scheme. However, my understanding is if you were awarded PIP at any stage before SPA, it will continue ad infinitum. So two people at 70, with the same mobility issues, get very different help. If the Motability scheme is primarily to help people get to work, why is it continued into old age?

It’s the same with bus/travel passes. There are time limitations on those issued to people over SPA, no travel before 9.30am etc., but if someone has a disability pass prior to SPA, unrestricted travel continues. The unrestricted travel time is obviously necessary for working people.

The Mobility Scheme is not primarily to get you to work. The mobility component of the benefit is to ''help you get around''.

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:45

perpetualplatespinning · 04/07/2025 18:20

@llizzie I think you are confused.

Working age adults aren’t eligible for Winter Fuel Payments. That is for people who are state pension age. See here.

Some working age adults are eligible for cold weather payments. See here. But that is completely different to WFP.

Yes, some disabled people are eligible for Winter Fuel Payments, but it depends on their specific circumstances and whether they also receive certain other benefits. Those receiving Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, or income-related Employment and Support Allowance, as well as those getting Pension Credit, are generally eligible. Additionally, those with a disability premium or a disabled child may also qualify according to the GOV.UK website.

Cold Weather Payment

Cold Weather Payment - what you'll get, eligibility and how to find out if your area is due a payment

https://www.gov.uk/cold-weather-payment/eligibility

llizzie · 05/07/2025 01:06

PhilippaGeorgiou · 04/07/2025 07:31

Ermmm - sarcasm? I have a motability car thank you, and know how it works. However your earlier said " If you are not able to drive yourself, you can have up to three drivers with clean driving licenses and no criminal record.." That is not accurate. You may have named drivers whether or not you are able to drive yourself.

You being one of the three?

llizzie · 05/07/2025 01:08

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 20:35

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, honestly.

You can claim PIP and UC simultaneously? Yes, you can. I’m not sure that was being debated though.

My response was to this:

TigerRag · 02/07/2025 12:30
Only if their partner is pension age

llizzie · 05/07/2025 03:10

Mumble12 · 03/07/2025 16:56

So that it whips up people like you into a frenzy

Frenzy? Not my style. Wheelchair user, learned not to rush a long time ago.

Some conditions won't let you get into a frenzy over anything, even worse when it takes your sight too, I can't use a mobile phone, but I can still touch type even with missing letters. I have a surgeon to thank for that ability to use my hands.

I do, however have a great sense of justice and I like to think that I have studied enough to be able to hold my own, even if eventually I shall not be able to do anything at all.

I also have, I hope, a great deal of sympathy for disabled people. Very often, like me, people think they cannot have a brain if they need a wheelchair.

No, I am not in it because I banged my head.

TigerRag · 05/07/2025 06:52

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:45

Yes, some disabled people are eligible for Winter Fuel Payments, but it depends on their specific circumstances and whether they also receive certain other benefits. Those receiving Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, or income-related Employment and Support Allowance, as well as those getting Pension Credit, are generally eligible. Additionally, those with a disability premium or a disabled child may also qualify according to the GOV.UK website.

That's not the winter fuel payment which is a yearly £300 payment which those of us under pension age aren't entitled to

Maybe before claiming something is true, read up on it

PhilippaGeorgiou · 05/07/2025 07:27

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:15

Your post disagreed with mine. You said people already in the UK could apply for asylum. It needed qualifying, for the posters on here who don't know.

And actually, since you are a poster on here who clearly "doesn't know". people within the UK already CAN claim ayslum, which you say they cannot. In order to apply for asylum in the UK, you either:
(a) apply at the point of entry, or
(b) contact the Home Office to book a screening interview

It is entirely possible, especially in this day and age, to already be in the UK when something changes in your home country that makes it difficult or impossible to return, so there is a process for those already in the UK. You are wrong and @Mumble12 is right.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 05/07/2025 07:35

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:45

Yes, some disabled people are eligible for Winter Fuel Payments, but it depends on their specific circumstances and whether they also receive certain other benefits. Those receiving Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, or income-related Employment and Support Allowance, as well as those getting Pension Credit, are generally eligible. Additionally, those with a disability premium or a disabled child may also qualify according to the GOV.UK website.

You are confused. The discussion is about Winter Fuel Allowance. Your posted "evidence" is about Cold Weather Payments. They are entirely different things. The Winter Fuel Allowance is only paid to people of pension age.

For winter 2025 to 2026, those born before September 22, 1959, and who have reached State Pension age by the end of the qualifying week (15 to 21 September 2025), may be eligible for a Winter Fuel Payment. The payment amount will vary, with households receiving either £200 or £300, depending on age and whether they live with someone over 80. If an individual's taxable income exceeds £35,000, the payment will be recovered through the tax system. You must also have been present in England/Wales for at least one day of that qualifying week. Certain pensioners are not eligible. Nobody below statutory pension age is eligible.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 05/07/2025 07:38

llizzie · 05/07/2025 01:06

You being one of the three?

No. The disabled person is automatically on the insurance if they are a driver. Named drivers are addiitonal.

perpetualplatespinning · 05/07/2025 08:14

llizzie · 05/07/2025 00:45

Yes, some disabled people are eligible for Winter Fuel Payments, but it depends on their specific circumstances and whether they also receive certain other benefits. Those receiving Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, or income-related Employment and Support Allowance, as well as those getting Pension Credit, are generally eligible. Additionally, those with a disability premium or a disabled child may also qualify according to the GOV.UK website.

As I explained in my pp, cold weather payments, which is what you linked to, are not the same thing as winter fuel payments.

I linked to the government pages about both cold weather payments and winter fuel payments. You can see the eligibility criteria there. As you will see from the link I provided, winter fuel payments are only for state pension age people.

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