Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Wow. If PIP were awarded for ignorance of the reality of disability you would definitely be on the enhanced rate.

The vast majority of motability cars are normal bog standard cars. What cars do you think people are getting?

The only reason why our car isn't the bog standard type is because it's a WAV.

Do you mean they should be marked so other people know they are motability cars? Why?

Idea 1 - so only people in their late 40s and older can vote? Seems really ageist to me. People younger than that are still affected by the policies that get voted in. How about we say that anyone older than 65 is not allowed to vote seeing as they might well be dead when the policies are introduced. Nasty, yes?

Idea 2 - that already happens in the form of sanctions and is nothing new.

Idea 3 - why not clothing? It is pretty essential. I have gained weight and need new knickers. Why should I not be allowed to buy some?
Do you think people on benefits are so stupid that they can't be trusted to spend their own money?

Idea 4 - a lot of cars that people get through PIP are basic ones. The bigger and fancier ones are because they need a big car to accommodate wheelchairs etc and a winch to get it into the car. No one is getting a sports car on PIP.

Idea 5 - I do agree with that one, if there is not a decent reason though.

Idea 6 - I don't know anyone on disability benefits who is refusing treatment or meds. That is because they want their symptoms treated and to not suffer. No one can be made to take meds or have treatment against their will unless they are sectioned. The job centre staff are not medically trained and can not tell you to do certain things to help with your health conditions.

There’s so much wrong with this. JFC 😬

Where to even start with that! Having to hand over 2% of your business to the taxman every year would send anybody who can move overseas.

Most businesses are not even listed on an exchange. Selling a minority stake in an unlisted business is a major ballache. Most banks do also not lend money to pay tax bills (other than IHT).

I reckon @Pogpog21 would like to see Motability cars stamped with an inverted black triangle. I really have never read such a hateful post.

Lots of things disabled people need aren’t available at supermarkets. It’s a bit short sighted. They also need to pay for transport and support.

Medication and therapy would be okay, often it doesn’t exist. CAHMS for instance iust seems to offer CBT for everything, and that’s a massive waiting list.

Why is "they"?

idea 6 if you are on disability payments because of health issues you must be on treatment including counselling and medication

I’d love to know what treatment you think my colleague should be on that will make her leg grow back

Positive thinking or that manifestation bullshit.

Tell me you've never experienced anxiety and depression without telling me you haven't.
My son has both and ptsd. He can't even fill in a form at the dentist without shaking and needs someone with him for all appointments. He's had counselling, difficult to do when he can barely leave the house.
Not everyone with these illnesses are malingerers.

The government then. Better?

Absolutely! Without my ADP (Sco equivalent!) I would struggle with staying in the workplace

Yep.

Please tell me of this magic treatment that will suddenly make my son walk again.

But the problem is that people on PIP are more likely to need to go to hospital more often PIP is used paying for travelling that a normal healthy person wouldn’t have pay, I know that I have to travel 70miles one way for a certain hospital visit then parking on top unless you have a blue badge, all adds up if you are doing this regularly.

If you would prefer to avoid the ignominy of having your posts deleted again, I would suggest you drop the word ‘hate’ when referring to other posters.

Just because you disagree with them.

Idea 6 😂
What’s this magical medication/pill I can take that will rid me of the acquired and real/quantifiable disability and chronic health condition I can take? Please let me know!
I was physically fine and then one morning in my 40’s (three years ago) I literally woke up with a disability out of the blue. It’s indiscriminate and can happen to any one of us.
My life is pretty shit now and I have to live with it every second of every waking moment until the sweet relief of death (and, believe me, I won’t mind that coming soon). But don’t worry, I’m not taking any of your money to afford myself any treatment that might make this all a bit more bearable. I still work (with massive adjustments. And minus an ability to barely look after myself/keep clean and well fed as all my energy goes on keeping my job so I can pay my bills and rent to a wealthy landlord) as I’m still not quite disabled enough/know how to work the system to get any help via PIP according to the DWP. I hope that makes you happy 😊

The ignorance surrounding this is huge!!!

Re 6- have you been living under a rock? It’s well known that MH services are dire, hugely over stretched and very unwell people are struggling to get care and treatment. It would encourage the over use of medication which autistic people are already at huge risk of. Also many people with quite severe MH difficulties have it for life. ND and its difficulties doesn’t go away( it’s a protected disability for a reason),neither does BPD and many other conditions. Having treatment to help manage symptoms doesn’t make them go away. You’re lucky to get any treatment least of all throughout life.

I have 1 kid on full PIP who has had a lot of treatment. His sibling is no less needy of treatment ( same conditions)and I have had to battle continuously for years for treatment watching him get worse. After even further deterioration he is finally getting the treatment he needs. Surely if you had to choose the untreated child would be more worthy of PIP as he has the same struggles without but without any treatment or support. I

I totally agree - we are part of the cohort of high skilled high income people that have left the UK. It wasn’t a “fuck you all” attitude in the slightest - what it came down to was paying taxes and seeing little to no benefit. My children’s school was crumbling and failing so we went private, we struggled to access NHS services, our council closed the local pool because they couldn’t afford to heat it. These are just a few of the examples which contributed to us leaving the UK.

So you are able to struggle along, some people can't, it's not that difficult to understand.
We all have struggles, but some people have disabilities that mean they can't just 'struggle along'

If you have a genuine disability then you should get PIP. If you don't then there is something far wrong with the system. Why don't you get it?

The main reason why I claim disability benefits is due to an undiagnosed condition. One of the symptoms which was my original diagnosis is untreatable. What happens to those of us with untreatable conditions?

Oh and I had treatment for something. It's now left with me another incurable disability

Have you seen the waiting lists to just see a specialist to diagnose someone let alone treat them?

This is my biggest cost it costs me over £200 a time to go to an appointment and get back this can easily be multiple times a month. Hospital transport isnt reliable so cant be used and I cant use public transport so a taxi is the only option for me

Probably because it involves a massive 14 page form with a lot of large writing boxes, a huge amount of evidence and paperwork when those in need of it are often on waiting lists and trying to juggle life with disability and very little support.

Because there's something wrong with the system? 70℅ go to tribunal and win