Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

I don't care whether it is UC or PIP. The payments are unsustainable at their current rate of increase. The whole system needs to be reviewed.

I genuinely didn’t understand how the government thought that cutting PIP was going to get more people into work, when PIP is nothing to do with the ability to work. Until it dawned on me that cutting PIP reduces income so disabled people are forced back to work regardless of the consequences - hence the deliberate conflation of PIP, intended to contribute towards the cost of disability, with sickness benefits and UC, intended as an income replacement benefit for those out of work/unable to work. Make people think they’re all the same and it’s easier to get the cuts through. It worked until Labour rebels worked out what was happening.

But the point is, it won’t be. They will tinker around the edges as they’ve been doing for years. Labour promised root and branch reform to make the assessment and award process fairer and more transparent. And what did we get ? An arbitrary cut intended to save money at the expense of the most vulnerable. Just because you stop supporting a need it doesn’t make that need disappear and all that will happen is that those who would have had support through PIP and the associated carers allowance will now have to rely on the much more expensive social care system. So the savings made on benefits will be lost as the social care budget balloons.

Instead of punitive measures such as cutting benefits, why not look at the reasons why people are not working.
When you are disabled, there are so many barriers to work and a lot of them lie with employers. It is not for a lack of trying. Have a look at the stats regarding how many autistic people are in paid employment.

It is all very well saying cut our money and force us to get jobs when no one will employ us anyway.

Yes.There just isn't the money. We know the difference.

Everyone who is capable of work should work, IMO. Including me, at 69. I haven't turned into a demented imbecile just because I am above pension age. But neither am I about to do drongo work for a charity.

Yep. Successive governments have always put the cart before the horse where this is concerned. There’s no point cutting benefits and wielding sanctions for disabled claimants if there are no employers willing to take them on. There should have been a comprehensive programme of education and support for employers to encourage them to take on more disabled. Instead government has consistently portrayed disabled people as workshy scroungers. Doesn’t exactly fill employers with confidence does it ? And the support systems such as access to work funding as well as assistance with reasonable adjustment are an absolute shambles. Funding takes ages to come through and in my personal experience a number of disabled people who were initially taken on by employers were let go before they even started the jobs because the DWP made such a dogs’ dinner of the in work support. But that doesn’t get reported because it doesn’t support the narrative.

Will you still feel the same when they come after child benefit and childcare fees ?

😂😂😂 Reform won't do anything about it either.

But its not an exaggeration of mh conditions that qualify for pip. Firstly no condition qualifies you for pip. Why do you think pip is easy to get? Do you think people with mental health issues under primary care get pip. Or do you realise even with a mental illness under secondary care its a battle to get pip. Your believing newspaper headlines and people online who say my brothers, cousins, neighbours fella gets pip but theirs nothing wrong with him. What iv described was my life plus multiple serious physical health conditions and I still got turned down for pip first time.

If that’s true, that’s galling. I have ADHD and anxiety and I’m often sitting hours at my desk and not typed one word. I then spend all night trying to catch up. I’ve maintained my current role for 12 years despite my mental health issues. I don’t want to be funding people in the same boat as me.

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Being signed of work has nothing to do with pip

Taxes absolutely need to rise. Our services are on the floor due to low taxation. Countries that tax more have better services and are happier with a smaller wealth gap.

If they’re receiving PIP as well then it’s related.

If we’re specifically talking about PIP, it doesn’t offer support for social anxiety and depression treated by GP services. To qualify for PIP on mental health grounds alone the condition requires consultant led secondary care by NHS mental health services and has to be so severe as to significantly impact daily life. And there needs to be evidence to support it. You can’t just rock up at a PIP assessment and tell them your depressed so you need benefit !!

I don’t want to pay more taxes for other people. I spend all my time getting my own ducks in a row and saving like mad because I doubt there will even be a state pension for me.

No it isn’t. PIP is not an out of work benefit and it doesn’t assess the claimants ability to work. It’s meant to support disabled people with the extra cost of disability. It doesn’t stop when someone gets a job and in many cases it actually supports people to be able to work. This has been said so many times now it’s getting old.

But the that shows yet again people who are claiming pip are working.

So it should be means tested?

So what if you or your children become disabled then what

You are mistaken -the tax payer is subsidising mobility cars and greatly subsidising the “charity” that provides them -the ceo does exceptionally well out of it

thecritic.co.uk/the-motability-scheme-is-taking-the-british-taxpayer-for-a-ride/

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@Cornishpotato but presumably neither you nor Jeff Bezos hold your entire net worth in shares?

An annual wealth tax of 2 per cent of your wealth could of course be paid for by selling shares in your company, but most wealthy people will also have cash, property and other investments they could liquidate if necessary. If for some reason they didn't have those things, they could borrow to pay the tax.

Well i dont want to pay taxes for you but here we are.So next time you go to the gp or you take your children to school who do you thinks paying for it