Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

I have life insurance / critical cover.

All kids should be covered. I’m just talking about a pp who said people with anxiety are claiming. That’s annoying to me as I have it and struggle along.

Yep. And that’s the point isn’t it ? He had a whole team of people supporting him to be able to work - far beyond what any disabled person could hope to access. Don’t get me wrong l think it was warranted, the man was a national treasure. But during my career, if I’d had a pound for every time someone said ‘well Stephen Hawking is disabled and he works’ as a justification for trying to shoehorn disabled people into unsuitable jobs, or sanction them for perfectly reasonable refusals to engage I wouldn’t be sitting at my kitchen table talking to you lot, I’d be sunning myself in the tropics somewhere !!

I have no issue with means tested but it will cost more then it saves because nobody will be claiming pip unless they have no choice as the process is hell on earth. Don't you get it, what the government was originally trying to do was leave people with nothing which means people lile me would lose their homes, their jobs and be living on the street to die

Most of the people I know that are on PIP for MH issues are under primary care only. But all were under secondary at some point. Some years ago. It is hard to get into secondary care now and no one stays there for long anyway unless they are in active treatment such as a course of therapy or having the depot jab.
But yeah a it is a battle to get PIP for MH and most went to tribunal stage.

But people who are already disabled wouldn’t be able to access affordable insurance cover for existing conditions.

Again, I’m talking specifically about anxiety.

My own mum is disabled and gets PIP, I’m happy it exists for those who really need it,

There are most definitely people on £100k claiming PIP. There was an interviewee on radio 4 in that very same position. That’s when I first learnt that PIP wasn’t means tested. I just don’t get why anyone would think it okay for someone on that salary to be able to claim benefits.

What is shit is that those who are battling to get the help they need are also cut off from PIP even though they need it more as it could help fund the treatment they’re battling to get so it’s a double whammy.

PIP is meant to even the playing field as it were.
Someone's disability is not their fault so they should not be out of pocket for it.
PIP is also a gateway to other support. It is not always about the money.

But the pp is simplifying it and your just believing it. Yes people may be claiming for anxiety but it will be either along side other conditions or it will be severe like ocd or mutism,agoraphobia, panic disorder. They will be under secondary care be on multiple psychiatric medications potentially been hospitalised, have a team of mh workers cpn, care cor, physchiatrists etc. The type of mild anxiety where you get some antidepressants from the drs self refer to talking therapies and carrying on with your life. It may be unpleasant but its not the same. Im under secondary care as primary care such as talking therapies isnt an option for me as according to them im to complex and high risk.

This. GP led primary care treatment alone for anxiety/depression wouldn’t attract an award of PIP. There has to be evidence that the condition is severe enough to have warranted secondary care at some point - even if that person has been discharged back to the care of their GP, it’s the evidence from secondary care that counts for PIP. And even then, it’s still very difficult to secure an award because many assessors will use the assessment as a ‘snapshot’ of your overall condition and if you’re OK that day, then as far as they’re concerned you’re OK. I’ve seen several severe mental health conditions successful at tribunal after being dismissed by an assessor with comments on the report such as ‘maintained good eye contact’ and ‘was able to engage with no problems’.

When you apply for PIP you list ALL your health conditions. Even the ones you are not applying for PIP for.
But the press jumps on the figures for people claiming for anxiety when anxiety might the absolute least of their problems.

@Livelovebehappy but isn't it possible that someone on that salary might need to pay for a full time (or round the clock team) of assistants/carers in order to do their job?
When you take into account employers NI and pension contributions etc, that could cost £50k, plus medication, a wheelchair, a specially adapted car, specific computer software etc... I'm sure PIP wouldn't even begin to cover the actual added costs of their disability, but I'd hardly begrudge them if it made some contribution.

If people are claiming PIP for anxiety it must be very severe and very limiting I suspect it would also include other conditions
Lots of people suffer with anxiety but unless it means they can't care for themselves or cook ,clean or under take a journey from A to B they don't get anywhere with their claim.

I dont know anyone getting pip under primary care. Iv been under secondary care for about 20 years primary care will not take me. But I was still turned down for pip first time and I have serious physical conditions to

Yep. And isn’t the threshold for a couple claiming child benefit a similar amount ? Why is that any different. Even so, someone disabled on that kind of salary will be the exception rather than the rule.

100% and the majority of disabled people will have mh issues as its such a horrible life being in pain all the time, being exhausted, not being able to do what you want to do, dealing with the side effects of all the drugs, being in and out of hospital its miserable and scary

PIP is so random. I swear it depends on the mood of the person assessing you.

Yes it no surprise someone is depressed when they have physical disabilities that means they cant live the life they want to anymore. I would say it is normal to have depression in those circumstances.

We need to cut benefits AND look at why people are not working, amongst a range of measures. .

Much here is made about contempt for the disabled and those on benefits. Just as much vitriol is thrown at those not on benefits by those in receipt of them. Many workers are barely keeping their heads above water but are not entitled to state support of any kind. The lack of compassion here for those workers, many of whom are barely holding it together financially or mentally is jaw dropping.

Yes, we dare question how our tax and being spent.

Yes, it’s a bit goady going on the Mumsnetters With Disabilities board and coming out with the claptrap of (deliberately) muddled government propaganda.

Yep.

My son had no MH issues until he became disabled. His whole world turned upside down overnight and the trauma that comes with that.

Yeah i do believe that i got nothing then on Mr no new evidence no changes got high on both the only difference was the 2nd call was recorded and I called them out on all the lies. I went through the report section by section and asked them to explain why they had written what they had written when it was blatant lies and they couldn't answer i got an apology the correct award and didn't have to go to tribunal

I am in receipt of benefits and have never thrown any vitriol at people who are not. Why would I? It makes no sense.
But people who are working and not getting support is not my fault. I can do exactly zero about it.

It is traumatic nothing feels safe anymore how your whole world can change in an instant and you lose all control over everything and all your plans and dreams are just dashed in an instant. This is why I never understand people fighting against pip as it can literally happen to anyone at any time.