Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

DLA is now mostly only paid for children, so in that case the high income would not be relevant as the benefit is in the childs name, not the parents.

child benefit is based on parents income though?

It does seem insane that housing benefit goes to rich landlords.

think how much tax is funnelled straight to landlords.

The whole system is fucked quite frankly.

Pretty much sums it's up

Then why did you? Appalled at the absolute shambles the Tories had made of everything, like the rest of us, no doubt.

@deusexmacintosh what an awful thing to say. i've reported it.

Yep. Wasted money and no new housing stock.

I'm not convinced it should ever really be paid for mental health issues, not least as I don't see how extra money would help in most cases. I can understand if they are using it to fund private psychiatric care maybe, but that's down to our dismal mental health provision. Improving that should be the priority, and in the meantime it would surely be cheaper to send the PIP claimants private rather than give them cash. I also think if it's for a child so the parent doesn't have to work and can be their carer, carer's allowance would be more appropriate. I really don't get why any mental health condition would be helped by a brand new car every three years, though maybe that's just my ignorance?

I do think it should be maintained for people with physical disabilities though as there are many ways that money can directly help them lead a better life, or even allow them to afford enough extra help and adjustments that they are able to work (and pay tax).

I receive pip, I also work and pay tax. If I didn't get pip, I wouldn't be able to work

And I've quoted the wrong person, sorry

"Being disabled the same, you also cant do anything fun ever as your to ill to"

@alexalisten I replied to the above? There is not indication you are only talking about yourself there...

I clarified upthread. This happens quite often with benefits. When PIP was introduced there was a cut off point for migrating those on DLA. Those left on DLA as a legacy benefit because of that cut off weren’t subject to the same harsh eligibility conditions as PIP, and as a result had higher levels of benefit awards than those awarded on PIP migration for similar conditions. Once these legacy benefit claims are closed everyone will be on PIP and adult DLA will no longer exist. Same here. Once the exiting claims are closed, everyone will be subject to the same eligibility rules. It’s a transition period aimed at mitigating the effects for those already claiming and reliant on that level of income, although it does seem unfair at face value.

However, the devil, as always, is in the detail. And it’s not clear whether existing claimants will be subject to the new rules if there is a change of circumstance or on reassessment of their claim. All we know at the moment is that existing claimants won’t be affected. I think we need to wait and see how ‘existing claimant’ is defined.

Tax isn't being put up specifically to pay for PIP.

This is just another way to justify the hatred and abuse directed at disabled people.

You could just as easily say every single tax increase is there purely to fund all the migrants who arrived in this country in the last decade, including the disproportionately high number in our overcrowded prisons and it would be just as spitefully wrong.

Taxes always go up to the point people want to die when Labour are in charge.
That is what Labour do.
Too many people had forgotten that which is why Labour managed to scrape in with such a low turnout.

Mentsl.health conditions don't just stop.at mild anxiety
What about peopl!e with severe and enduring mental.illness such as schizophrenia,Bipolar schizo affective disorder ?
They can be life long and severely limit people.

Some mental health conditions were previously referred to as ‘mentally handicapped’. Where there is little or no cognitive ability. Or where a mental health issue is so severe the person is a danger to themselves or others. The extra costs in safeguarding would be significant. And without an award of PIP, carers allowance is not payable.

@rumblegrumblei don’t think you know anything about mental health issues at all.
I went to uni with someone who became bipolar, a very easy going guy. When he was manic he did some terrible things and was sectioned. The medication to keep him under control makes him so dopey/depressed he couldn’t carry on with his professional career. He doesn’t need a private psychiatrist. He can come off the meds and be really good at work, until he’s not.

and you have to be on the higher rate for mobility to qualify for mobility. People aren’t getting that for most mental health conditions clearly.

We are experiencing end stage socialism.

As somebody who has lived under threats of suicide used to manipulate and force me into doing what family members want, I hate these - 'if you don't give me money I'll kill myself' threats.

Yes, but it’s paid to the parent and not the child. Child DLA is paid in the childs’ name. The parent is the representative.

But parents tend to spend it

Carers allowance is a pittance and can't be claimed unless your child gets medium or high rate DLA. Not to mention the fact that if you are also on UC as many parents of disabled children are, Carers allowance then gets taken off UC each month so it feels pretty useless.

Taxes always go up to the point people want to die when Labour are in charge.That is what Labour do.Too many people had forgotten that which is why Labour managed to scrape in with such a low turnout.

Taxes were high when the Tories were in. We have never faced these demographic issues before and that's after years of public services being starved of investment.

So?

People get accountants to complete their tax returns, which are complicated. Why shouldn't people get help, human or otherwise, completing the PIP form, which is complicated.

And the difference is that child benefit is paid to the parent to help support the child. Whereas child DLA is actually paid in the childs’ name because it’s intended for their direct benefit, so is not the property of the parent. So means testing it on the assets of the parent would be inappropriate.

No government is going to be able to reduce taxes unless there are cuts. It's not possible with the demographics.

Why did you completely change your post @Cornishpotato ? This is what I was replying to.