Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

I think everything should be taxed -so
Someone said this on the news today. So give pensioners their wfa but treat it as income so the wealthy pay tax on it. Ditto benefits. So if eg you have a high income but also a disability, port of your benefit payment goes in tax

No exactly funny that how everyone has different needs and abilities luckily we have something in place to help those people

There was a thread here a few days ago about a disabled boy who broke away from his carer and grabbed at a young cashier in a shop. The carer was likely a parent or friend who was probably at the end of their tether because the care system is broken in this country.

When the PIP cuts come into effect there are going to be significantly less people eligible for support and significantly less unpaid family carers eligible for carers allowance. Where does government think these people will go for the support they would otherwise have got from PIP and CA. It’ll fall to the already overstretched care system to accommodate them at significantly more cost than PIP and CA facilitated. The standard of care will deteriorate, there will be more incidents like the one mentioned here, and ultimately the tax payer will pay the price. The cut wont save a penny - it will significantly increase the cost and shift it from one budget to another. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Only for very low mileage or heavily adapted vehicles. They used to let you extend your lease through choice but now you have to fit their very tight conditions.

Just to add to the pp you are quoting, you no longer have the option to buy at the end of the lease.

@alexalisten but you were the one who claimed disabled people can't have fun!

Exactly. I was working in an extremely competitive field - we worked overnights, had dinner in the office, it was totally all consuming. I worked hard to get the job, I worked hard in the job, and it was exhausting.

Why bother with all the stress and overwork if you're actively punished for it, and not only that but derided by people who consider you 'privileged' and 'greedy'? If we punish people for being higher earners, the higher earners will stop bothering or go elsewhere.

Yeah, I don’t think that poster applied much critical thinking there.

Agree with @CagneyNYPD1 🙏
I think people don’t pay enough tax for the type of society they want to live in tbh. Business also needs to pay much much more tax globally. Good article on the guardian this week as we are about to have the worlds first trillionaires.. yet half the world population is living in dire poverty. Inequality has reached record levels. More much more needs to go back in.

Actually it's for parents to help.care for their children, DLA ,and PIP is paid in the child's name

Yeah my bad - that stopped in 2023. Sorry.

The poster did and replied to the original thread. They said that the government had no issues means testing child benefit which is for children.

I never said that I described my life

If a parent has a million quid in the bank and a million quid house, there is justification that their children don't need DLA especially when government is looking to make cuts. Poorer folk would not be affected.

DLA is now mostly only paid for children, so in that case the high income would not be relevant as the benefit is in the childs name, not the parents.

I'd love to know how. Benefits for pensioners are very low.

Well I don't know what the answers are genuinely but we clearly can't go on like this. I don't want my kids paying ever more tax when they will never afford a house of their own. Something has to change. No idea what though. It seems neither do any of the political parties

Can someone please clarify what’s happening succinctly?

Are they really creating another tier? Honestly this is what’s wrong with this country. So many people receiving so many different types of support at different levels and so many people being taxed at different levels (yes I am including student loan in that). It’s like divide and conquer. This is not equality.

Depends on where you set the threshold. If you have a child with very high needs it wouldn’t take long to reduce your assets to detrimental levels if you had to pay for everything yourself. When you have a disabled child - or indeed are disabled yourself, you need to future proof yourself. Means testing works against that. I find it really interesting that in a society where parents have child benefit, nursery fees and other benefits paid at quite high levels of income, the same privilege is begrudged to disabled people.

And my point is, if they only receive the SP, they don't pay tax on it anyway. Sigh. 🙄

Instead of giving people ever more benefits I think the gvt should address the unaffordability of basic needs like housing & heating.

But the point remains that people do work with pip - I'm one of those people. I also agree that pip needs to change but without pip I wouldn't be able to work .

Means testing works against that. I find it really interesting that in a society where parents have child benefit, nursery fees and other benefits paid at quite high levels of income, the same privilege is begrudged to disabled people.

Child benefit and free hours are means tested at 80k. Are you saying that should be the threshold for DLA etc?

free hours is to 100k

Agree completely. Also insist employers pay a proper wage so it doesn't need topping up by UC. It does seem insane that housing benefit goes to rich landlords. The whole system is fucked quite frankly.

One metric taken out of context is not a good starter for 10 for anyone who genuinely wants wants a positive and sustainable change.
GDP?
Less people claiming benefits.

Stricter criteria for benefits.
Sovereign wealth
Population age profile
And so on

Context matters