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Taxes to rise to fund PIP

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Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 11:20

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

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EasternStandard · 27/06/2025 18:10

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:05

Taxes always go up to the point people want to die when Labour are in charge.That is what Labour do.Too many people had forgotten that which is why Labour managed to scrape in with such a low turnout.

Taxes were high when the Tories were in. We have never faced these demographic issues before and that's after years of public services being starved of investment.

Now the private sector is being hit on top of that.

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 18:10

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:54

"Being disabled the same, you also cant do anything fun ever as your to ill to"

@alexalisten I replied to the above? There is not indication you are only talking about yourself there...

Why would I be talking about somebody else

Kirbert2 · 27/06/2025 18:10

PandoraSocks · 27/06/2025 18:05

So?

People get accountants to complete their tax returns, which are complicated. Why shouldn't people get help, human or otherwise, completing the PIP form, which is complicated.

I agree.

I got help from two hospital social workers to help fill out the DLA form and to make sure I had the correct evidence. Nothing at all wrong with that, it's part of their job because DLA forms are so overwhelming. Especially when you are also dealing with a disabled/seriously unwell child, my son was still in hospital at that point.

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Tatemoderndrawyourown · 27/06/2025 18:11

samarrange · 27/06/2025 12:46

Apologies for the slight derail, but: I always laugh when people threaten to move abroad, whether it's "If Labour get in" or "If the Tories get in". Ditto in the US, "If Trump/Harris wins I'm moving to Canada".

Very few of these people ever move. And a lot of them come home after a short time with their tails between their legs.

Moving to another country is hard. You lose all your daily social life. Absolutely everything works differently — something as simply as "going to the doctor and getting a prescription and going to the pharmacy" is different in France and different again in the Netherlands. If you move to a non-English speaking country you have to deal with the language barrier, and wherever you go, it turns out that most adults are not in the market for new friends (and those who are, are not always the kinds of people who you would want to be friends with). And abroad also has income tax and traffic jams and bad bosses and government bureaucracy.

People make fun of working-class Brits who have saved a bit of money and up sticks at 58 and move to Spain, but I think they are immensely brave. And yes, many of them don't learn much Spanish, but then learning the two forms of the imperfect subjunctive probably isn't on any early retiree's to-do list.

Maybe if you are a billionaire and don't have any "normal" friends then it's less hard. Going to soirées at the George V in Paris isn't all that much different to going to soirées at the Dorchester. But for normal people with friends and family it's a huge decision.

Please go on prime location, put in wealthy neighbourhoods, and check how many £3+ million houses are for sale. In my children’s very expensive/famous/oversubscribed private school they are leaving (the school and the U.K.) in large numbers. Not only non-doms, also plenty of people who are sick of the situation and have received better offers. These are not people that pay £200k in taxes each year and are absolutely not comparable to those who move to Spain. They do not need to ‘rebuild a life from zero’. They’ll have friends visiting, family staying, coming back for holidays, meeting people from our school in Dubai, the Alps or pick an island. Whilst many might dislike them/us, let’s be real, Britain needs those taxes.

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 18:12

Kirbert2 · 27/06/2025 18:10

I agree.

I got help from two hospital social workers to help fill out the DLA form and to make sure I had the correct evidence. Nothing at all wrong with that, it's part of their job because DLA forms are so overwhelming. Especially when you are also dealing with a disabled/seriously unwell child, my son was still in hospital at that point.

Pip forms are very complicated i had my cpn help me

Neemie · 27/06/2025 18:13

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 11:46

The country needs investment though, and public services need more money to cope with the changing demographics so tax rises are inevitable.

Tax rises will go on welfare, nhs and servicing the national debt. We are definitely on a downward spiral.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:13

@EasternStandard why do you think the private sector wasn't hit before now? Productivity has been shit for years.

x2boys · 27/06/2025 18:14

rumblegrumble · 27/06/2025 17:51

I'm not convinced it should ever really be paid for mental health issues, not least as I don't see how extra money would help in most cases. I can understand if they are using it to fund private psychiatric care maybe, but that's down to our dismal mental health provision. Improving that should be the priority, and in the meantime it would surely be cheaper to send the PIP claimants private rather than give them cash. I also think if it's for a child so the parent doesn't have to work and can be their carer, carer's allowance would be more appropriate. I really don't get why any mental health condition would be helped by a brand new car every three years, though maybe that's just my ignorance?

I do think it should be maintained for people with physical disabilities though as there are many ways that money can directly help them lead a better life, or even allow them to afford enough extra help and adjustments that they are able to work (and pay tax).

So why do you think physically disabled people are more entitled ?
My son is 15 and gets HRC and HRM he's physically very able he can walk for miles ,run ,jump ,climb
However he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities,he s unable to.talk at all and can only communicate on a very basic level he needs 1:1 supervision,at all times to keep him safe he has the cognitive ability it's toddler
We have a mobility car as the government recognises reliable transport is essential to keep him safe.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:14

@alexalisten why wouldn't you be?

Kirbert2 · 27/06/2025 18:14

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 18:12

Pip forms are very complicated i had my cpn help me

Same with DLA forms. I'm so glad that I had social workers familiar with DLA to help me and to make sure I asked for the correct evidence I needed too.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 18:14

Kirbert2 · 27/06/2025 18:03

Carers allowance is a pittance and can't be claimed unless your child gets medium or high rate DLA. Not to mention the fact that if you are also on UC as many parents of disabled children are, Carers allowance then gets taken off UC each month so it feels pretty useless.

I think a lot of posters are missing this fact. When. This cut comes into force, it will not only reduce the number of PIP claims, it will also reduce the number of unpaid family carers eligible for carers allowance. They will no longer be able to provide care in many cases because of the shortfall and the disabled person will have to rely on social care. So in reality there will be no savings from this cut because social care costs more - all the government have done is to shift funding from one part of the the budget, to another more expensive resource. Not that you’ll ever hear it. They will be too busy congratulating themselves on how much they’ve saved on benefits, while the social care system budget will ballooN

Just one point though - carers allowance does count as income for UC purposes, and they count it pound for pound. But they give you back a carers premium of around £50 a week and you’re not expected to look for work if you’re a carer. You can bypass applying directly for carers allowance by informing your UC work coach that you are a carer and the premium will then be paid - subject to the same earning restrictions and minimum hours of care, as for carers allowance.

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 18:15

PandoraSocks · 27/06/2025 18:09

Why did you completely change your post @Cornishpotato ? This is what I was replying to.

Yes sorry I mixed up two posts.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 18:16

x2boys · 27/06/2025 18:14

So why do you think physically disabled people are more entitled ?
My son is 15 and gets HRC and HRM he's physically very able he can walk for miles ,run ,jump ,climb
However he's severely autistic with severe learning disabilities,he s unable to.talk at all and can only communicate on a very basic level he needs 1:1 supervision,at all times to keep him safe he has the cognitive ability it's toddler
We have a mobility car as the government recognises reliable transport is essential to keep him safe.

This. All day long. Some posters have no idea what MH and cognitive/learning disabilities can involve.

Flopsythebunny · 27/06/2025 18:16

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 12:39

Well it shouldn't be incredibly difficult to get PIP if you suffer from a genuine disability. Not because you find the thought of work too stressful. No wonder the numbers claiming are rising at an alarming rate. The money is going to the wrong people. If they stopped getting it there would be more for other seriously disabled people.

My granddaughter was born with quadraplegic cerebral palsy. She was on the highest rate of dla until she turned 16 and she had to have a video assessment for pip. This is a girl who cannot walk, can barely use her hands, cannot feed or dress herself, but her brain works absolutely fine and she's very articulate.
She scored zero points and was refused pip. It took months for an appeal during which time she had no money coming in at all. A family member cared for her out of school hours but couldn't carry on because carers allowance was stopped. My son in law had to go part time at work because my daughter couldn't. That was 3 years ago and they still haven't financially recovered
Don't fucking tell me that if someone really is disabled that they'll get pip, because they have to bloody fight for it.

TheWernethWife · 27/06/2025 18:17

I pay tax on state pension. Should add that I've worked since I was 16 and paid NI contributions.

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 18:19

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Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2025 18:20

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 12:13

I don't think PIP should be awarded for anxiety and depression. The money should be put towards better counselling services on the NHS if mental health needs to be addressed.

What are your medical qualifications to make that judgement?

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 18:20

Flopsythebunny · 27/06/2025 18:16

My granddaughter was born with quadraplegic cerebral palsy. She was on the highest rate of dla until she turned 16 and she had to have a video assessment for pip. This is a girl who cannot walk, can barely use her hands, cannot feed or dress herself, but her brain works absolutely fine and she's very articulate.
She scored zero points and was refused pip. It took months for an appeal during which time she had no money coming in at all. A family member cared for her out of school hours but couldn't carry on because carers allowance was stopped. My son in law had to go part time at work because my daughter couldn't. That was 3 years ago and they still haven't financially recovered
Don't fucking tell me that if someone really is disabled that they'll get pip, because they have to bloody fight for it.

Im sorry you all went through that this is the reality of the pip process people dont see who haven't been through it they think they know and they just dont

Catpuss66 · 27/06/2025 18:23

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 17:06

@Catpuss66 what bit of generally confused you?

Nothing confused me, I said I paid tax on my private pension.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:24

@alexalisten are you ok? You could just say you made a mistake. Now don't reply to this or your obsessed with me 😆😆

LancashireButterPie · 27/06/2025 18:24

Flopsythebunny · 27/06/2025 18:16

My granddaughter was born with quadraplegic cerebral palsy. She was on the highest rate of dla until she turned 16 and she had to have a video assessment for pip. This is a girl who cannot walk, can barely use her hands, cannot feed or dress herself, but her brain works absolutely fine and she's very articulate.
She scored zero points and was refused pip. It took months for an appeal during which time she had no money coming in at all. A family member cared for her out of school hours but couldn't carry on because carers allowance was stopped. My son in law had to go part time at work because my daughter couldn't. That was 3 years ago and they still haven't financially recovered
Don't fucking tell me that if someone really is disabled that they'll get pip, because they have to bloody fight for it.

This breaks my heart and as someone who works with disabled people in the NHS it's something that I see regularly.

I think we really should stop acting like we own an Empire and are a world super power and focus on helping our own population instead of pumping billions into the hands of billionaire arms dealers.

I voted Labour but I'm ashamed of them.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:24

@Catpuss66 why are you telling me that though?

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 18:24

Flopsythebunny · 27/06/2025 18:16

My granddaughter was born with quadraplegic cerebral palsy. She was on the highest rate of dla until she turned 16 and she had to have a video assessment for pip. This is a girl who cannot walk, can barely use her hands, cannot feed or dress herself, but her brain works absolutely fine and she's very articulate.
She scored zero points and was refused pip. It took months for an appeal during which time she had no money coming in at all. A family member cared for her out of school hours but couldn't carry on because carers allowance was stopped. My son in law had to go part time at work because my daughter couldn't. That was 3 years ago and they still haven't financially recovered
Don't fucking tell me that if someone really is disabled that they'll get pip, because they have to bloody fight for it.

This is exactly what is wrong with PIP.

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hooverbob · 27/06/2025 18:25

@Flopsythebunny But this is where I think it's ridiculous & of course your gd should get help.

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