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Viviennemary · 2025-06-27T10:20:35+00:00

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Frostiesflakes · 27/06/2025 16:39

PreetyinPurple · 27/06/2025 15:56

That can’t be true - only 37% get high mobility and then not all of them will have/want a car as they still have to pay for it. The only people I know who have gotten a mobility car is because their child is very disabled

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I know lots of people personally who have a motobility car and none of them are for the kids

apologies it’s 1 in 5

www.regit.cars/car-news/is-motability-propping-up-the-uk-car-market-and-whats-next-as-pip-faces-government-review

Boomer55 · 27/06/2025 16:40

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 11:27

It's just tax, tax, tax but generally just on workers.

I’m a pensioner. I pay a lot of tax. It’s not just workers. 🙄

StrawberrySandwich · 27/06/2025 16:40

cumbriaisbest · 27/06/2025 16:37

I know somebody with pretend dyslexia and pretend MH issues.

Every damn thing under the sun is paid for.

This is not my style btw. But it's wrong.

Would love to know how you get pretend dyslexia and pretend MN diagnoses let alone PIP on the back of both.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 27/06/2025 16:40

TigerRag · 27/06/2025 16:16

An adapted car to get to work? They may need adapted clothing, pre chopped veg, taxis if they don't drive, etc

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Thank you. 😊

Original poster

Viviennemary · 27/06/2025 16:40

AngelicKaty · 27/06/2025 16:33

Whilst the state pension is taxable income, any pensioner who is only getting the SP (£11,973pa) won't pay tax on it because it's below the personal tax allowance of £12,570pa.

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Sigh. That was my point. People are not taxed on other benefits like pip, housing
benefits and so on.

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DeadMemories · 27/06/2025 16:40

StrawberrySandwich · 27/06/2025 16:38

That’s your SS and how they’re parented . One of my dc has multiple diagnoses with CPTSD on top and has been ill a long time. He gets PIP and UC has taken every bit of treatment offered, volunteers, is working his arse off as regards his MH and looking towards getting the qualifications he needs to go to uni.

Your SS and how they’re parented doesn’t speak for everybody.

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I wasn’t speaking for everybody, where have I said I was?

The SS were adults when I met DH so their parenting is no reflection on me.

EasternStandard · 27/06/2025 16:41

StrawberrySandwich · 27/06/2025 16:22

Can anybody tell me what the Tories did in 14 years to sort PIP because I’m scratching my head and can’t remember anything.

What do you mean by ‘sort PIP’?

Cut support?

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 16:41

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 27/06/2025 16:35

It's not "disability". I know a young, fit drug addict who receives PIP!!!

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PIP isn’t awarded for drug addiction. It’s awarded for the effects of that drug addiction and any other underlying conditions it’s caused. If you use drugs or alcohol problematically you will have to show how this, and any other health conditions you may have, affects your ability to carry out daily living tasks and how your mobility may also be affected.

No health condition or disability is awarded PIP just because you have that condition. It’s awarded on the effects it has on your daily life. So your assertion that this person is young and fit, probably is just your perception and not the reality.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 16:41

@Boomer55 I didn't say pensioners don't pay tax 🙄

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 27/06/2025 16:41

Serencwtch · 27/06/2025 16:33

The extra costs of living with a disability which are the same or greater than someone not in work.

The extra costs of working with a disability eg getting to work, maintaining employment, coping with unpredictability of most disabilities.

Reduced opportunities for work & reduced working hours due to disability eg restrictions on type of work, location , flexibility etc.

The specifics are going to vary hugely with specific disabilities & individuals & specific jobs & locations but for many disabled people in work the costs involved in accessing work & maintaining employment can exceed the income. People with disabilities still have a right to equal employment & PIP as an in work benefit can provide this.

Personally I think there should be an additional benefit like disabled student allowance paid to disabled people in work to address this.

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Thank you for the clarity 😊

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 16:42

maybe the tax payer should stop paying for illegal immigrants - none of you would have to pay extra taxes. Instead of attacking disabled people.

x2boys · 27/06/2025 16:42

cumbriaisbest · 27/06/2025 16:37

I know somebody with pretend dyslexia and pretend MH issues.

Every damn thing under the sun is paid for.

This is not my style btw. But it's wrong.

Nobody is going to get PIP for dyslexia
And what do you mean by pretend mental health issues ?
You can't just claim to have a mental health condition and be given PIP.

hooverbob · 27/06/2025 16:42

What are Reform planing to do to PIP?

PandoraSocks · 27/06/2025 16:42

TigerRag · 27/06/2025 16:39

Apart from introducing it they've not done anything

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Exactly.

Maybe the Tories should have left the DLA scheme for adults well alone. But no. They said scrapping it would save money.

Crazyworldmum · 27/06/2025 16:42

Birdsinginginthetrees · 27/06/2025 14:30

And don’t forget the financial benefit to be gained by the state by all these older people not drawing their state pension if they choose (or get guilt-tripped) into ending their lives early via euthanasia.

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Exactly that ! It’s already being abused in other places as used without being needed

PandoraSocks · 27/06/2025 16:43

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 16:42

maybe the tax payer should stop paying for illegal immigrants - none of you would have to pay extra taxes. Instead of attacking disabled people.

Ah yes, let's just swap scapegoats.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 27/06/2025 16:44

alexalisten · 27/06/2025 16:34

I dont work full time i work part time. I use my pip mainly on traveling to hospital appointments as I have a rare condition that effects multiple organs so I have to go to different specialist appointments at different hospitals which are nowhere near me one is up one is down and one is across and i cant go on public transport, hospital transport is to unreliable so I have to get taxis everywhere I usually average 2/3 appointments a month that arent local to me. I also use the money for extra costs of electricity for medical equipment and I use some for private therapy and the rest on equipment for around the house and medical equipment like compression sleeves as the nhs will only provide 2 at a time. I then use universal credit to make up my wages of only being able to work part time and being of sick and hospitalised a lot

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Thank you. I'm sorry to hear of your struggles day to day 💐

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 16:44

@PandoraSocks rather that than read all these comments of people claiming disabled people are pretending. Fraud on pip was 0% - but ah yes they all must be faking it.

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 16:44

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 16:33

Because they buy the cars and at the end of the lease period those cars are sold on. Disabled people tend to take better care of their cars because they are linked to better mobility. And the cars are largely provided by manufacturers at a discount in the first place so the profit margin is higher on resale.

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Okay but it's not expanding the market for second hand cars so that's definitely not additional GDP.

Crazyworldmum · 27/06/2025 16:45

Frostiesflakes · 27/06/2025 16:39

I know lots of people personally who have a motobility car and none of them are for the kids

apologies it’s 1 in 5

www.regit.cars/car-news/is-motability-propping-up-the-uk-car-market-and-whats-next-as-pip-faces-government-review

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Exactly how do you know there’s people because a notability car is to be used as a family car , so to go to work , school run , shopping holidays . If they are used this way it’s for the kids

x2boys · 27/06/2025 16:45

Rosscameasdoody · 27/06/2025 16:41

PIP isn’t awarded for drug addiction. It’s awarded for the effects of that drug addiction and any other underlying conditions it’s caused. If you use drugs or alcohol problematically you will have to show how this, and any other health conditions you may have, affects your ability to carry out daily living tasks and how your mobility may also be affected.

No health condition or disability is awarded PIP just because you have that condition. It’s awarded on the effects it has on your daily life. So your assertion that this person is young and fit, probably is just your perception and not the reality.

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How many times do we have to.spel! It out
Every thread about DLA/PIP it needs to be explained it's not the condition but how it impacts a person
Yet every time posters claim to know people who h
Get it for notjing.

Cornishpotato · 27/06/2025 16:45

justkeepswimingswiming · 27/06/2025 16:44

@PandoraSocks rather that than read all these comments of people claiming disabled people are pretending. Fraud on pip was 0% - but ah yes they all must be faking it.

Only if it is detected?

How do you put a figure on undetected fraud?

AngelicKaty · 27/06/2025 16:46

PreetyinPurple · 27/06/2025 15:56

That can’t be true - only 37% get high mobility and then not all of them will have/want a car as they still have to pay for it. The only people I know who have gotten a mobility car is because their child is very disabled

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According to AI: "Approximately 20% of all new cars sold in the UK are purchased through the Motability scheme, according to Fleet News. This makes Motability one of the largest purchasers of new vehicles in the UK. The scheme allows individuals receiving certain disability benefits to exchange them for a lease on a car, often including insurance, servicing, and maintenance." So, approximately 1 in 5 cars on UK roads are funded by Motability.

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 27/06/2025 16:46

Chronicinsomniazz · 27/06/2025 11:47

I’ve received DLA/PIP since the age of 3 as I was born with a physical disability which will never get better, only worse with age.
From a young age I was awarded it indefinitely as it was obvious I’d never improve. I then had to get reassessed when it went to PIP and have a maximum of 10 years award. Again this is something I was born with and I will never get better. Some of the surgery I had actually went wrong and I was left more disabled with a life changing injury from the negligence.
I worked in a career for as long as I could. I’ve applied for jobs from home that I could do but got no where so far.

I am tired of fighting for this, I’m tired of my life being crap, I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t go on holiday, I don’t have fancy things, my life on benefits is pretty limited. I have enough to pay my bills and keep a roof over my head. I have carers which I pay a contribution for, I have a gardener because the council put me in a bungalow with a huge garden, I have high utility bills because I’m unable to clean myself after any bowel/bladder movement so I need to use a shower toilet, when that doesn’t work I end up with major infections and on antibiotics, last summer I was close to sepsis where I cleaned myself as best I could in the shower and fecal matter got into a tiny cut in my toe. I’m tired of being tarred with a brush that I’m taking the pee out the system. If I could wake up tomorrow and hand all this over to work and have a normal life I would. I watch my siblings, who by the way two of them are on the 40% tax bracket, and think that’s the life I could have had. They only don’t moan about paying the tax because they see it as looking after me. There are many disabled people in the same position, who have family that pay tax, or they pay tax themselves. But please believe me when I say so many of us on this would rather not be.

I don't think it's people like you who folk begrudge paying higher taxes for.

dottiedodah · 27/06/2025 16:47

Surely the first priority of a Labour govt, is to care for the weaker members of our society?Many people on this site and IRL are earning very well.They are fortunate that they are able bodied, and extremely intelligent to boot.If you are on benefits you have a fixed income and thats it.I am in the unusual position of having a DD who has had many health issues ,and finds socialising difficult and also has mild LD .In contrast, Older DD has a degree in Engineering ,earns upwards of 60k a year .Owns their own home, drives and has worked for a year in the States .To me, I think my older DD and people like her should contribute more in tax .Diane Abbott spoke very eloquently about taxing the rich . She and many other BBs do not agree with KS, and she bravely spoke out. a Surely he doesnt want a "no such thing as society" or every man for himself ,as MT preached in the 80s?We voted Labour nearly a year ago by a massive majority .We didnt vote for an Tory govt in disguise!

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