Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

That's a very bizarre way to differentiate anxiety disorders.

Are you aware that OCD is the most disabling anxiety disorder (and one of the most disabling mental health conditions overall) & doesn't result in or caused by aggression.

Simple PTSD eg caused from a single traumatic event is actually the most treatable & less likely to result in long term disability.

Handing the country back to the right.
Whether it is Farage or some other odious wanker, the Labour party will argue itself back into oblivion.

Motobility cars are not paid for by the tax payer. PIP is paid for by the tax payer and some people hand over theirfull allowance for a car in just the same way that other take out cars on leasehire. The road tax exemption would apply to any car they bought whether through motability or private - its only available to those with the top rate of PIP and then only if the car is for their personal use/benefit. One of your neighbours must have been left significantly impaired to qualify for road tax exemption.
You also have to pay a sizeable amount up front for a motability car, so if its anything beyond the basics they would have had to use savings for a large deposit. Those I know with motability cars pay their own insurance. Repairs are covered in just the same way as any other leasehire car - in the monthly fee. PIP isn’t means tested and I don’t think it should be - its meant to compensate for some of the incremental costs of disability.

A former neighbour of mine ran a building firm. He ran a Rolls, a Range Rover and a sporty soft top Mercedes thing for his wife to use as a shopping car. Each of his DC was handed an expensive car on their 17th. All of these were company cars despite the fact that the DC didn’t work for the firm and his wife’s salaried involvement was fictional. All this was set against tax which he used to boast about not paying. I have no idea how he got away with it but possibly the frequency with which he shut down and restarted under new names was a factor.

I’d say the latter is ripping off the tax payer rather than the former.

Then you should have encouraged them to work surely? Or very least their parents.

It doesn’t help workers. Payroll numbers are down.

Nor does income tax rises but it's interesting that other countries manage it & it funds a fair bit of their health systems too.

Why do you think they don't know the difference between PIP and UC? That's hardly likely, is it?

And businesses will be struggling as people don't have money to spend.

I am not getting involved, any intervention either by grandparents or DH is met with aggression by their mother (who works full time) how she is a "tiger mum" will "go to war" for her children. She feels that them living on benefits is the best thing for them. DH has suggested so many jobs they could try but they are just not interested. And as adults we cant force them.

The extra costs of living with a disability which are the same or greater than someone not in work.

The extra costs of working with a disability eg getting to work, maintaining employment, coping with unpredictability of most disabilities.

Reduced opportunities for work & reduced working hours due to disability eg restrictions on type of work, location , flexibility etc.

The specifics are going to vary hugely with specific disabilities & individuals & specific jobs & locations but for many disabled people in work the costs involved in accessing work & maintaining employment can exceed the income. People with disabilities still have a right to equal employment & PIP as an in work benefit can provide this.

Personally I think there should be an additional benefit like disabled student allowance paid to disabled people in work to address this.

Whilst the state pension is taxable income, any pensioner who is only getting the SP (£11,973pa) won't pay tax on it because it's below the personal tax allowance of £12,570pa.

Because they buy the cars and at the end of the lease period those cars are sold on. Disabled people tend to take better care of their cars because they are linked to better mobility. And the cars are largely provided by manufacturers at a discount in the first place so the profit margin is higher on resale.

@C8H10N4O2 I’m afraid motability cars are largely funded by the taxpayer - as that’s where the PIP comes from.

While I don’t doubt this is a great use of money for a number of people (pp with a disabled child for example), the government indirectly funding over 800,000 cars via benefits payments is quite a startling figure.

I dont work full time i work part time. I use my pip mainly on traveling to hospital appointments as I have a rare condition that effects multiple organs so I have to go to different specialist appointments at different hospitals which are nowhere near me one is up one is down and one is across and i cant go on public transport, hospital transport is to unreliable so I have to get taxis everywhere I usually average 2/3 appointments a month that arent local to me. I also use the money for extra costs of electricity for medical equipment and I use some for private therapy and the rest on equipment for around the house and medical equipment like compression sleeves as the nhs will only provide 2 at a time. I then use universal credit to make up my wages of only being able to work part time and being of sick and hospitalised a lot

I think NI policy is very poor and limiting, causing the issues we see but I agree with you on this.

It’s hard to envisage why it would be so high

But where were they supposed to get the money to do that from if they did not make cuts? They literally are damned if they do, and damned if they dont....

It's not "disability". I know a young, fit drug addict who receives PIP!!!

And in the next couple of years this won’t be the case. Many more pensioners are set to be dragged into paying tax as a result of rises in pension and the freezing of tax thresholds. The figure you quoted is the basic entitlement, many pensioners will be on a little more for various reasons, taking them nearer the tax thresholds.

Addiction is a disability. You wanna work with drug addicts

This is how Oxford Economics explain the method used to evaluate the economic impact of Motability in 2019/20. Any further questions should be addressed to OE as I am nowhere near to being an economist 🤣

That's not necessarily true garages do deals ,we have just picked up.my sons new mobility car today, its the second we have had and we haven't had to.pay a,deposit for either of them I
some people do put up.a,sizable deposit for certain makes and colours Tec
but if you are happy just accepting t the ,offers you can get a decent car
we don't pay insurance either it's all covered.

I know somebody with pretend dyslexia and pretend MH issues.

Every damn thing under the sun is paid for.

This is not my style btw. But it's wrong.

That’s your SS and how they’re parented . One of my dc has multiple diagnoses with CPTSD on top and has been ill a long time. He gets PIP and UC has taken every bit of treatment offered, volunteers, is working his arse off as regards his MH and looking towards getting the qualifications he needs to go to uni.

Your SS and how they’re parented doesn’t speak for everybody.

Do you realise how much money that they have taken out of the economy by putting so much pressure on businesses that joblessness is set to rise? This is an engineered situation. It didn't need to be like this.

They had said, prior to the election, that they would support businesses by reducing red tape and giving them optimal conditions to grow and then one of the first things they did was clobber them with unnecessary harms.

So to answer your question directly, had they done what they told everyone that they were going to do you can increase tax receipts entirely on the back of the net growth in the economy. Cuts would still be necessary but they could have been done in a more sensible fashion that wouldn't have seen a huge rebellion and the sum total of fuck all being achieved.

Apart from introducing it they've not done anything

A whole range of costs of disability. I have a couple of significantly disabled juniors in my practice. PIP helps toward the cost of special transport if they come into the office, the carer who has to come with them (the company also contributes to this but that is policy rather than requirement).

Common uses include adaptations at home, disability aids which are not available on the NHS, special equipment or furniture not available on the NHS, extra physio or other therapy sessions (not available on the NHS), carers for any personal care they need, cleaning help if they cannot manage it all themselves, additional heating for some conditions, special diets for some conditions. There are ad hoc costs which are higher for people with disabilities such as travel, travel insurance, holidays etc, visits to places or events.

I’m talking mainly about physical disabilities and physical chronic conditions but even high level PIP only covers the basics of the incremental costs for many.