Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

To be fair my mental health problems are a lot more debilitating then my physical health problems if I could pick to get rid of one it would be mental health

Those fiscal rules have been decided on by Rachel Reeves - not the IMF.

Nothing happens if we breach them. Governments aren't households - they're not constrained by a budget in the same way.

Agree.

No, they’re not. The root of this problem is that DLA - the forerunner of PIP didn’t allow claims on mental health grounds. The coalition government introduced PIP in 2013 with the sole intention of cutting costs. Unfortunately at the same time, and with great pride, they opened up a benefit which was formerly only for those with physical disabilities, to MH conditions, of which a proportion can’t really be quantified as they are self reported. These are probably legitimate claims within the scope of the benefit, but they wouldn’t formerly have been allowed because they are not physical or quantifiable conditions.

And that’s where the problem lies. During and since the pandemic the claims for MH conditions have risen. Not suggesting that they are spurious, but clearly many who fall outside the scope of PIP have been allowed because of the restrictions of the pandemic. If the government simply allowed the natural process of proper face to face reassessment to go forward, the number of claims would reduce.

AI literally wrote the answers for him.

Thanks... how likely are we getting to get to this stage?

Haha... true! That's probably what's being banked on!

I find it interesting that they didn’t touch the mobility element of PIP
could that be because it props up the motor industry
I think I read that one in 3 or 4 new cars that are on the rd are Motobility cars

And how did he get evidence to back up his claim if it's fraudulent?

Yup that’s why

I only know genuine claimants.
Do you also get annoyed about people working cash in hand to dodge tax, as there are plenty of those.

I bet it did. Like I say, if it seems feasible and I have no evidence to the contrary then it’s all I’ve got and I would use it to make my decision.

How did he provide the supporting evidence ?

They are a condition and not a disability. So the condition can be treated with medication and counselling and not by extra money. That what has caused this problem.

His medical records confirm that he's been on the 1 pill a day for piturity gland illness 10 years ago.

That's all it took.

He simply rehearsed the AI generated answers and acted his way through the phone call.

The assessor was easily fooled. He boasted that he can persuade women to do what he wants!

ICK!

The idea you need supporting evidence is overblown. And most of the stuff people send in isn’t supportive, and often it contradicts what is on their form.

I can guarantee when Labour raise taxes in the budget to fund this then the tax take will fall. People like me are already looking at how to minimise impact, we’ll work less. We’ll also consider going overseas again.

Not prepared to fund this shit show. Typical Labour tax and spend. Next Starmer will be taking us into war like Blair did. I hope someone’s told Rach that there’s no gold to sell as good old Gordon sold it in his pop up pound shop.

I feel desperately sorry for people like the poster upthread who has had physical disabilities from birth and cannot work, frankly these people should be supported. However I’m not prepared to fund a nice little car for someone who has anxiety and can’t get a bus.

Here we go. Wondered when that would come up. Did it ever cross your mind that only the very most severely disabled people on the highest mobility awards are eligible for motability ? Or that scrapping motability would have significant repercussions on the UK car industry, with a resulting effect on the economy ?

Everyone I meet seems to have anxiety these days. I think some people have genuinely lost sight of the fact that life isn't all unicorns and rainbows.

This is shit but it is the Conservatives who created PIP, who allowed mental health to qualify, who got rid of in-person assessments and oversaw the massive explosion in claims. They did NOTHING about it. At least Starmer tried and shame on those MPs who tried to block sensible reform.

Breaching even self imposed fiscal rules demonstrates an inability to work the levers and an economy that is failing to grow. When Reeves set out her growth predictions in the autumn budget last year, and against which she justified high capital expenditure, it looked nothing like what we have seen across the year - and this was before we backtracked on welfare cuts and wfa and before the non dom's fucked off in their droves, before the vat increases on private school had been shown not to be a big win for the treasury, before the trump tariff debacle, before we committed 3.5% to defence spending, before the employment market started to contract.

I was with you til your last sentence. Which is frankly ignorant and ableist.

This.

I think considering the impact of scrapping motability has on accessibility and travel for people with disabilities is very important.

I think worrying about the car industry’s ability to sell cars (most of which won’t be manufactured here) isn’t really the problem of the UK taxpayer.

If you say so @Rosscameasdoody - you seem to think you know more about it all than the rest of us put together