Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

The problem is the NHS is not fit for propose, so people have no choice but to claim pip for conditions that they should have received help from the NHS for. Until this is resolved it's not fair to cut PIP. For example when I was struggling with my mental health, NHS turned me away saying I needed specialist support , but this came with a 2 year waiting list. So they suggested I be signed off work continually and can then get extra UC to help pay towards the cost of going privately instead of helping me!

We need a tax on the wealth and assets of the very wealthy. We could do this and these people would still be incredibly rich. I really hope the disability benefit reforms do not pass as is. It would create a wildly unfair and cruel system where people who become ill and disabled would not receive adequate support. That is something that could happen to any one of us. By all means we should be providing more support to help those with long term illnesses find suitable work but to cut their benefits is pretty disgusting especially when so many wealthy people do not pay their fair share. Its very clear that this was always about cutting costs so they could look "fiscally responsible" but it was not what people voted them in for at all.

I'm not totally opposed to higher progressive taxation across the middle and higher earners but I would want to feel like we were seeing real benefits in society from this rather than the continued slide into disrepair, lack of public services and decreased support for the poorest and most vulnerable in our communities.

Then you should have appealed because that’s not the criteria. Simply putting a ready prepared meal - be that supermarket or prepared by someone else - into a microwave is not cooking, it’s reheating. The assessment should have covered your ability to prepare fresh ingredients and cook them either on a conventional hob or in a microwave. The assessment also looks at whether you can do this either standing or sitting at a standard kitchen countertop, and takes into account whether you need aids and appliances, help from another person, the pain or discomfort you experience while carrying out the test and whether you are safe doing it. It should also have taken into account the time you take to do it - if it’s more than twice the amount of time it would take a person without a disability then you should be assessed as unable to meet the criteria. The premise of safely, reliably and within a reasonable time frame, taking into account pain, discomfort or breathlessness, and the need to take pain relief, and also the knock on effect on the ability to carry out other tasks afterwards apply to all activities assessed.

Which countries are you thinking of? It's similar in places like Germany and Canada, the UK isn't an outlier

I didn't need to appeal i got high rate both at MR

Tax the rich messaging is often confusing, a lot of campaigners using this often mean tax wealth not income earned by working. This will be difficult as a lot of wealth is hidden in huge family trusts protected by teams of lawyers and accountants.

As others have mentioned PIP and UC are often used to supplement the wages of working people so the question should be why are companies paying such terrible wages that full time workers need help. The tax payer is literally subsidising private companies who then pass this onto their executives and shareholders. This acts as a transfer of wealth from ordinary people and their Governments to companies and the rich who own them.

Obviously your definitions are correct but in practice it's paid to a larger proportion of people that are not working.

As the data shows.

Hence why the government talked about getting more people that can work working again.

Messed the whole thing up though.

You're forgetting the "over a decade" of irresponsible government by Blair/Brown beforehand. We've not had a competent government for over 30 years! Hence why more and more people are willing to let Reform have a go!

Labour’s policies are causing this. You can’t ignore that they are in power making decisions rn.

The NI policy and everything that flows from that.

Yes

Labour messed up big time. They are worse than the conservatives party.

My family will never vote for labour again

No - the UK is an outlier in both the increase increase in number of claimants, and the age of the claimants.

Something is going on in the UK / with the UK system which is not happening in similar developed economies.

The talk about getting people into work again is about Universal Credit not PIP.

Stupid question but what happens if the UK keeps overspending and the fiscal rules are breached?

I wouldn't worry we will all be blown up soon

To those who believe people are getting PIP for just anxiety, when you claim PIP you have to list all your conditions, mental or physical, on the first page. Most mental health conditions come with anxiety as a secondary condition, and I would imagine some physical ones do as well.
So statistically yes a lot of people are claiming for anxiety, but it is alongside their main illness.
I have first hand experience of helping people with their forms.
Also, severe anxiety, which is often paired with OCD is debilitating, it isn't just a feeling of being too stressed to go to work.

We get downgraded I guess. The IMF has to come in and then some serious cuts and tax rises.

I can't believe how anyone can defend the catastrophic decisions made by Labour in the short amount of time they have been in government.

They have completely fucked the economy, businesses are shedding staff and closing down training opportunities to mitigate the ni increases, the minimum wage increases and the upcoming employment rights reforms. I mean, come on, one might have been okay, but all three in quick succession, morons.

So glad the 'economist' chancellor is at the helm, says no-one ever unless she's gifting them another handbag on expenses, presumably?

Okay thanks for the clarification

I don’t doubt that there is fraud greater than the official statistics. I had to make balance of probability decisions based on the evidence in front of me. Some people will successfully pull the wool.

“He's discovered that the PIP system lists this as brain tumour.”

This, though, is not really how it works. Yes, Decision Makers will use a dropdown to categorise the primary illness for stats purposes but his diagnosis has not got him an award. It’s a functional assessment.

Two people with the same illness could rightly get different (or no) award because they’re affected differently.

40% only new claimants list mental health problems as their main problem.

Which could cover a range of issues, but is quite interesting in the make up of new claimants.

Downgraded, higher interest payments on the national debt, more taxes to pay for the higher debt, circle of shite.

Edit, sorry linked to the wrong post.

Exactly this i have 26 diagnosis i have 9 different consultants spread over 4 hospital trusts. Of course i have anxiety iv nearly died multiple times. I will die significantly younger then the average person.

I know but he used AI to find out the worst symptoms of the primary illness and match it to the PIP points system and it worked.

Similar to 70s IMF bailout?