Taxes to rise to fund PIP

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I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

I really hope not re the war to cover Labour’s shitshow.

Also the 70s led to Thatcher. I can easily see whatever damage Labour do leading to reform.

But people with smi should absolutely qualify

Nope. Over twenty years as a disability outreach worker - this is just not true.

Well that's not what I've read - UK working age disability rates and increases in rates are comparable to OECD averages.

Although tbh I'm not sure why this is a key point. Whether it's a problem and how we respond is not determined by whether other countries have the same problem.

To be fair to Labour, they inherited a shit load of problems that the last Government made no effort to fix. And now without either a huge cuts or a real effort to reform everything we are always going to go for half measures and plasters to kick the problems down the road again. Reform won't do any better and their 'golden' visa idea is just stupid, trickle down economics does not work.

The tax system needs to be overhauled to take into account of AI. If AI achieves even half of what is suggested then that's millions upon millions of less tax payers. Maybe there will be new jobs, maybe not but peak AI will still be devastating. Whoever is in power needs to understand that or we will be even more f22ked. What a way to spend a sunny afternoon, lol.

I completely agree.

As we're told global immigration is a good thing then I am joining in.

I can choose where to pay tax and I've decided I will do that, same as the global millions coming here.

I've identified a country with far less social problems, better housing and good healthcare and will be off.

Migration is good!

No. My taxes should not be used to subsidise BMW and Volkswagen.

No other country has had such a rapid rise in disability. But no other country gives free cars to those who give the right answers on a self-assessment form.

It is not that those with the highest need get the cars, but those who know best how to game the system while those with genuine disabilities lose out.

I really hope not re the war to cover Labour’s shitshow.

I mean it's a shitshow but so were the Tories and we had years of that shitshow....

Starmer gets too excited about ‘boots on the ground, planes in the air’ nonsense for my liking.

The only time his polling has ticked up.

Where is this massive amount of money coming from ? I would rather not pay more tax to fund someone staying at home claiming to never be able to work.

I do believe MH should not qualify for pip. Unless youve had inpatient mental health care.

that said its not those on PIP fault, the goverment can fund wars, it can give money to Urkaine, it can give money for MP expenses.. yet the people on PIP are the fall guys here. Very sad.

They could get more people into work by offering better grants to employers for accessibility and improving disabled people's rights when they are in employment to protect their incomes, job security and streamline the processes for requesting reasonable adjustments.

@SwearyYellowStartish the administrative cost for one person may be small but the combined cost of reviewing for all claimants to check their limbs have not grown back, miraculously gained sight or become fully functioning is somewhat larger, irrelevant and adds to delay. Not to mention unnecessarily stressful for the claimant and their carer forced to complete the review forms. This is one of the proposed changes that acutually makes sense.

I wonder whether my autistic son who has been housebound for a decade and unlikely to ever work due to inability to communicate with anyone but family will also be exempt or whether he will be relentlessly reviewed in case a miracle has taken place.

@Justgorgeous some people can never work though. Those with learning disabilities for example - do you begrudge them getting help even though they cant do simple things we take for granted like reading a clock?!

Again, over twenty years experience as a disability outreach worker, and this is not my experience. And your taxes don’t subsidise Motability beyond the mobility allowance which is paid regardless of whether it is used to fund a car or not, and takes into account the usual concessions for disabled people buying any car, outside of the scheme or not - exemption from excise duty and VAT on grounds of disability. Motability is independent of government and funded largely by charity. And they’re not ‘free cars’. The mobility allowance, which would be awarded anyway is used to fund the car. IME there is a lot of ignorance around this issue.

Well it’s also very “in trend “ to have anxiety.

I think more people will try and claim pip now if they implement a different system for existing claimants. I would if I had a debilitating illness that I'd decided not to claim for. I'd want to get my claim in before November 2026 to ensure I wasn't refused on the new guidelines. I bet pip claims sky rocket in the next few months.

That's a ridiculous arbitrary criteria you're proposing.

Some people receive inpatient care for extreme events of acute mental health conditions and some people aren't fortunate to be offered inpatient care when they desperately need it for chronic mental health conditions. It's really difficult to get a section for someone and even harder to get a bed in a voluntary capacity as there are just none available.

Inpatient care in itself can be extremely traumatic and it's why many mental health services will do their very best to support patients in an outpatient capacity because it should only be used when absolutely necessary to prevent further deterioration of one's condition wherein it relies on strict daily monitoring.

You don't have to be an active threat to yourself or others to be unable to wash, cook, clean, take your medication on time, read your emails, answer your phone, speak to others, plan and execute journeys and so inpatient treatment isn't a criteria although if you have received inpatient treatment those documents can be extremely useful in being supplied as evidence.

My partner has GAD, treatment resistant depression and psychosis and the amount of times we have tried to get inpatient support is phenomenal but we have never received it. Fortunately his PIP allows him to buy in support for his daily living and mobility related needs.

@Rosscameasdoody
Thank you for your relentless countering of misinformation on this thread. It must be exhausting and you're being very patient

Which, given the lies they told about Brexit, is fucking terrifying.

But it's needing extra money that I don't get. Nearly everyone suffers from anxiety at times. Should they all be on pip. It's the most unfair benefit ever. People in real need jumping through hoops. Will be even worse now if this two tier system comes in. I hate Labour.

I’ve been a PIP decision maker for seven years.

Perhaps. But no answer on how new claimants will cope. Is it just to sell in Labour’s policy.

Which, given the lies they told about Brexit, is fucking terrifying.

Mind boggling

That can’t be true - only 37% get high mobility and then not all of them will have/want a car as they still have to pay for it. The only people I know who have gotten a mobility car is because their child is very disabled