Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Because the PIP assessment of preparation and cooking of a simple meal doesn’t extend to ready meals you can bung in a microwave - that’s not cooking, it’s reheating and it’s not part of the assessment. Just the same as if a family member or friend was doing batch cooking and freezing it for you to just put in the microwave wouldn’t count either. It is what it says it is. A assessment of the claimants’ ability to prepare and cook a simple meal from scratch using fresh ingredients. That’s why preparation including peeling and chopping, as well as cooking, are assessed.

Not with the cost of disability it doesn't.

Usually the "well in my day" group.

C. 15% of PIP claimants are in work according to HMRC and DWP data.

So why did my pip assessor score me zero for it

I sometimes think reform getting in won't be a bad idea. They won't know what to do either. They'll privatise the NHS and other public services, reduce taxes suddenly people will real use they didn't have a magic bullet.
This country needs a radical overhaul. Everything is fucked from housing to health. Paying more and more tax won't help. Scandinavian countries pay high taxes and for excellent services. Everything is universal so people paying in feel like they're getting something back. This country penilises higher earners from taking child benefit to no access to childcare help. Huge disincentives to earn more than 99k. I don't earn anywhere near that BTW. Plenty of people I know have reduced their hours, pay more into pensions.
I will encourage my kids to go elsewhere. They're young adults and studying but they won't stick around to be milked dry.

Did you get advice on whether the criteria were correctly followed?

I think asking for a review and a trip to the Tribunal might be in order unless you got enough points elsewhere.

The assessments by contracted Healthcare Professionals for both PIP and ESA/UC are notoriously flaky.

I scored enough points elsewhere i got high rate for both in the end but my report was full of blatant lies

Good job serious anxiety disorders such as GAD only last 6 months then isn't it 😯

The number of PIP claimants have increased from 2.1m to 3.9m in the past 5 years. Someone taking the piss out of the system somewhere.

Yep and agoraphobia after 6 months i just thought il nip to the shops

Or we've just been through a pandemic and having a failing nhs so people are actually getting sicker

I agree - the statistics prove that "something" is going wrong. That kind of increase isn't being seen in other comparable countries.

So that's 2 people!

If taxes are rising to pay for pip then I'd be better off just going off sick with "mental health" and claiming pip. This is were we go wrong! I earn over 18 an hour and work full time if I claimed pip and u/c I would be 200 less off. Were is my incentive to work? Those on minimum wage are probably better off on it. I dont know what the solution is but it is not raising taxes! Its getting rid of all the fraudulent applicants. Not the genuine people but the fraudulent ones or supplying vouchers seeing as people are saying they need it for increased gas/electric or taxis thats fine have a voucher or supply receipts because there has to be something done here its completly unsustainable and will ruin it for those in genuine need. I read a form on here recently of people kicking off az they got sent a letter asking them to break down what there pip is spent on well I would welcome this because enhanced rate for mobility and daily living is about 750 a month!

Most other countries suffered the same pandemic so why aren't they seeing the same increase in disability claimants?

@alexalisten the blatant lies thing is so common as to be unremarkable.

The one that sticks in my mind was an ESA assessment for somebody who'd had a hear/lung transplant. She just about tottered from the disabled parking 25 metres across an Atrium with her sister and a stick for support.

The assessment said she could do all sorts of things that there was no way she could get near.

I’m not talking about the amount of PIP claimants in work. That figure could be 1% and OP would still be wrong to call PIP an out of work benefit. That’s their opinion, not fact. People get riled up enough about PIP without adding fuel to the fire by labelling it incorrectly. If OP wants to shout about PIP then the facts should be used, not the ‘it’s a mostly out of work benefit’ opinion.

Yeap - pandemic taught too many people how much easier it was to sit on your arse all day and live off the state - they now need to be pushed the other way. That is why these benefits need to be halved. Can you imagine Farage justifying someone getting benefits because of agrophobia? Reform need to get a majority to cut this nonsense.

This is what we need to do. No-one begrudges decent benefits for those who really need them, however, despite what people say, there are plenty on benefits who should not be. If for example, you have a child diagnosed as autistic, the assessors are dependent on what you tell them about how that affects the life of that child. I have 3 neuro diverse children. Our eldest had regular meltdowns, kicked in doors,attempted suicide twice, self harming and shop lifting and generally getting into trouble. I could easily have claimed PIP for her but she was not costing us extra money. I am a healthcare professional who knows how to complete those forms. I could have claimed for all 3 of my children. When my youngest had her disabled student assessment for Uni she was offered taxi's to and from campus. I told her to refuse as it was not necessary. People seem to forget that all this money has to come from somewhere and if people apply who do not need it, or exaggerated the info given, then there is less for those who genuinely need it.
This would not be popular but I actually think claimants should evidence the extra costs.
I know several parents who claim for several children and the income is huge but I don't see any extra costs that those kids are creating over and above any other kid.
Yes, if they are doubly incontinent at school age, or up all night needing night sits, or needing special equipment that cannot be provided. Our lodger has an autistic child who spends half his time at our house. His mum claims PIP for him. In 6 months I have heard a couple of meltdowns. They get themself washed and dressed like any other 11 year old. I can fully imagine what was written on the application form and who can prove it one way or another??

People have worked out that working is a mugs game. I do know someone who claims pip. She says she can't dress herself. She can. She admits she doesn't really 'need' it for illness but it's useful due to the cost of living crisis. I mean WTAF! No idea how she passed her assessment, but clearly people can be fraudulent or at least over egg the pudding.

I have a job and I pay tax also you are on mumsnet at 3pm on a Friday

Labour has absolutely messed up here. They promised us a fairer system. It's looking more unfair by the hour.

So what are they supposed to do? People want benefits reformed. So they propose to reform them. People complain they dont want them reformed. So they propose a way to fund it if it carries on as is. I am sick of people moaning about Labour when they are in a terrible position, due to over a decade of irresponsible government by the tories.

Shows just how little you know about depression and anxiety then. My aunt couldn’t work her whole adult life (other than small, irregular bouts of very undemanding voluntary work) due to these conditions. She had a mental breakdown in her late teens and that was it. She has been in and out of therapy. In and out of psychiatric wards. One stint lasted 18 months. She has had periods of psychosis, agoraphobia and OCD. But her overall umbrella, catch all diagnosis is depression. How do you think she should have survived? Under a bridge, in a cardboard box, begging? Do you think it’s her (or anyone else’s) CHOICE to spend a lifetime living in the depths of despair? I now have a son with severe OCD (ya know, an ANXIETY disorder.) He’s only 13 and hasn’t been able to attend school for an over a year. He’s in therapy and on medication, but no progress. I fear for his future, especially if people with the same attitude as you are in charge of things. You are horribly horribly ignorant. You really are.

I agree. I think labour have tried to make some positive changes, more than 14 years of tories ever managed. They are no more incompetent given what they have to work with. The WFA cuts were fair. Now you can have it on 70k. Why do they keep back peddling. Just bloody get on with it.