Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

The government have tried to make cuts and everyone just screams "stop the boats. I'm voting reform". Then the government back peddles. It's ridiculous. I've never claimed Pip but if I had to in the future I'd be pretty pissed off if someone with the same condition as me kept there's and I didn't get it just because they claimed there's 3 years ago.
Sick of higher taxes. We'll jyst reduce to a 3 day week if this happens. Not worth killing yourself to support people with more assets than you.

Er - yes it is. The preparation and cooking of a meal assesment takes into account the preparation, which includes chopping peeling and other aspects of prep, as well as actual cooking. You’re likely to score more points if you can’t do one or the other, and maximum points if you can do neither.

I'm a pensioner and pay tax.

Tax has gone up recently but not much. I doubt many will notice much difference.

But don’t you think the people who really don’t have a voice is those yet to be awarded pip

Labour are settling with the current claimants and cutting it off. Wouldn’t you want to help those with no voice too?

If people now can’t cope, I can’t see what changes for the new claimants. What do they do instead

2.3 a can use a microwave zero points

The use of the conjunction 'and' separates the two ideas quite clearly. It is clear that I think both things need to happen, not that I think the latter is reliant on the former in anyway. You have just purposely done this to feed the narrative that people that want PIP/DLA reformed don't understand what they are talking about. I know DLA is for children but household income is used to means test a child Benefit, FSMs etc so it is hardly groundbreaking if it's used for DLA too. Just because children don't work it doesn't mean that they're not already subjected to means testing.

Your example is not rare. This is what needs to be weeded out. How the Govn do it I have no idea. Perhaps cameras and spies absolutely everywhere 🤯it’s all just madness.

I'm probably thick but what's that to do with peeling and chopping?

Well i got zero points as I can use a microwave so according to the assesor I can cook a meal. It literally says it in my paper work

It's not how much it has gone up but how much it will go up. This year has been a cluster fuck of really bad policy decisions, bad luck and bad timing. Hang on for the autumn budget.

@NorthXNorthWest

It's a bloody good starter for 10 though isn't it.

A lot of European countries have amazing healthcare systems with different funding models - why don't we have a look at them?

Why would you need to peel and chop if you can stick a meal in a microwave it means you can cook for yourself and won't starve according to the dwp

You clearly have no idea what an out of work benefit is. An out of work benefit is defined as an income replacement benefit, in payment because you are unemployed and have no, or limited other sources of income, depending on whether the benefit is contribution based or means tested. PIP is not an out of work benefit - you don’t get it simply because you’re unemployed. PIP is defined as a universal disability benefit payable regardless of whether you are in work or not. It does not assess the ability to work - out of work benefits like ESA and latterly UC do that because they are out of work benefits. PIP is designed to assess the extra cost of disability. If you’re going to start a thread and contribute to it, at least make sure you know what you’re talking about otherwise you’ll spend most of the thread being told you’re wrong.

An alternative is to start incentivisng and encouraging small businesses to start and grow. For the past few decades, it's ALL been about centralisation and internationals. We've had supermarkets causing the demise of small shops, chain restaurants closing down smaller independents, even foreign owned chains of vets taking over self employed small practice vets, and that trend is now extending to the likes of opticians, accountants, etc where "rich" foreign investors are creating chains of small practices but still keeping the names and branding to make them look as if they're still independents.

How about some changes to reverse that trade and return the UK to being a "land of the shopkeeper" as it used to be, where the business owners are more likely to pay tax in the UK, employ local people, train up youngsters, etc?

Which sector is this?

We're not going anywhere, so I wonder who is, and where?

No, not it is not. Saying it frequently isn’t going to make it true. PIP is not an out of work benefit. It never has been. Yes, there are people who claim PIP and do not work, that does not make it an out of work benefit, or ‘mostly’ and out of work benefit or any other kind of out of work benefit you think it is.

You probably won’t notice as a pensioner if you don’t look at SMEs and impact on jobs.

The imaginary people sector

That's not the point.

The current criteria, whether you think it right or not, involve preparing a simple meal from fresh ingredients including peeling and chopping (eg) a potato.

I'd put that to prospective claimants along the lines of could you, given a potato, a piece of fish and a can of sweetcorn prepare a meal. If they need an aid to chop/peel then at least 2 points.

If you can meet the test using a microwave but not a hob that may be 2 points also.

People who don't understand the simple fact of what disability means really should not be piping up about disability benefits and/or allowances. The ignorance is astounding. Yet the noise is predictable.

Are you certain? How would you be

If they normally eat ready meals it’s 0 points. However that’s a choice they can or cannot chose to claim. So actually preparing and chopping and how many points you get depends on what you tell your assessor your lifestyle choice is. If you say you don’t like ready meals and always prefer home made but can’t chop and prepare. That’s 2 points. So actually the0 points is for those who chose to eat ready meals and can use a microwave.

Re: ‘PIP isn’t an out of work benefit’.

No, it isn’t - but, and this is probably the key point, it enables making living off benefits without working rather more manageable, as it increases your income.

Which I suppose is a question as to the sudden growth of claimants - is it being exploited?

Around 15% of PIP claimants work.

But this the problem their is no consistency my assesor when I was explaining how I struggled in the kitchen said can you use a microwave to which I answered yes and she said so you can cook a meal.

It's the one constant in UK politics. There is no situation so dire that the left wing of the Labour Party can't make it worse.