Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Are you happy with Labour’s decision?

ETA whatever that is as they are all over the place

Don't worry he won't be paying high taxes for long - actuarial work is particularly vulnerable to ai automation and junior roles are going to be decimated.

I agree about housing costs.

It's a disgraceful u turn on fixing a broken system. We need people working not soaking up as many benefits as they can. All I see is this pushing people to Reform who might have the guts to get something done.

I'm ancient. Labour always taxed more to help out those in need in their opinion. WHY is anyone surprised, annoyed.

I haven't read previous posts, but my feeling is we can't just keep kicking all these issues down the road. Governments keep doing it, have been for decades. They saw it coming and did nothing.

We have to reform pretty much everything, and cut down on welfare spending. There are not enough people paying in, there are too many net takers.

Social care, UC, PIP, Disability payments, pensions (inc. winter fuel), SEN provision, NHS. The list is endless.

What is the alternative??

My son is a fresh grad and in a high earning field. He may leave too in the future, maybe for Hong Kong or Singapore as his company has branches there. But it's ok as he's a 'rich person' so good riddance!

1 million young NEETS. Why would young people work?

It says nothing about me, and a lot about you. You could not make it up, actually you could. Good Day.

It's fucking annoying. The solution:

1. Wealth Tax
2. Tax rises across the board, not just for higher earners

OR

1. Wealth tax
2. Flat rate tax

A lively debate as always, the only thing we can agree on is it’s an absolute shit show. Raising taxes can’t always be the first option but seems that’s always the default.

It’s madness isn’t it to want this. That’s Labour for you.

Well no one has actually said that except op.

Quite.

It’s a load of propaganda that’s now going to bite Labour on the arse.

Started by the Tories
Taken up the arse by Labour

This Labour Cabinet needs to be much more across the detail. Relying on civil servants and Spads is destroying it.

Yep. The OP says pretty much the same shite on every thread.

The madness was Labour abandoning women’s rights and children’s safeguarding.

Where was everyone then??!

Labour aren’t going to say they will rn but they haven’t put forward how they’ll pay for the change.

It was the same pre welfare cuts with posters adamant it was scaremongering. Until it wasn’t.

The op is likely closer to the situation than Labour eill
admit.

This is it! It is hugely emotive and will involve some really tough decisions but we are rapidly running out of options. The red herring of a wealth tax is exactly like the non dom reforms, something that most people think should work but in reality they will end up costing us money. The reality is that we all need to pay more tax AND there needs to be some quite major welfare reforms. I think things like non means tested PIP and DLA will need to be completely reformed and we need to make it more attractive to work which inevitably means making it less attractive to rely on state benefits.

But unlike workers, you don't pay NIC!

Theres definitely a parallel issue for this group that they cannot afford a decent standard of living here.

It would be very interesting to see the demographic stats of those commenting here against PIP and other disability benefits. The results wouldn't surprise me, or others.

I’m not sure this means there’s money there suddenly.

How would you fund this u turn?

I think you will find that as each person has to be reassessed they will be reassessed using the new criteria. Some people have to get reassessed every three years and on occasion someone with a life limiting or terminal disease gets anything from five to ten years.

Im not saying she's wrong im saying we dont know as we dont

It isn’t given to people who “get anxious sometimes.” God forbid you ever have a serious problem. Anxiety disorders are not a case of simply feeling a bit worried at times.

The problem with the "I'm alright Jack" philosophy used to be that it was a moral failing.

Nowadays the problem is that it's just wrong.

Ai is coming for so many jobs and yes, it's your children's job too, the one you think is completely safe. Initially it might only take 40% or 20% of the jobs in that sector, but look at a sector where that's happening now to see what working in that sector is like. Especially if you are in a junior role, you'll be the first to go. Everybody else will be left scrabbling around to try and keep their job. Wages and conditions will get worse and worse. It's utterly miserable and it will get worse as the AI gets better. Unless you are one of the very tiny proportion of people in the world who actually owns the technology, you are going to be completely screwed.

You aren't going to be alright and your children certainly aren't going to be alright either. You're about to find out why we need a safety net.

I agree with protecting the amount for those who have claimed already.

As for how to fund it, I would reduce exemptions on business taxes, especially for the large tech companies (or have a windfall levy), and end the temporary fuel duty cut. Almost everyone could reduce their car fuel consumption by the way they drive, even before they reduce journeys.