Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Instead of starting the reforms with the people most affected it should start with those that could work but just dont. Either because they are older and finding it hard to get a job in their field or just dont want to retrain. Those on long term unemployment. They should be encouraged to take jobs outside of their field and their wages topped up a bit to cover some shortfall. Dont take it off the people who cannot work for various reasons ie serious physical or mental ill health. Some sick people could work but there just isnt the flexibility for them.

It’s a complete shambles. Starmer has said - very bluntly - that the system needs reform. But now we will end up with a watered down version of reforms that don’t tackle anything fully.

We cannot tax high earners more. Middle earners need to contribute more, we need to smooth cliff edge to increase productivity. We also need to crack down on companies based in the UK avoiding paying tax utilising off shore holding companies and spurious R&D claims.
The answer is not to go cap in hand to high earners yet again.

As do many benefit claimants.

Ok. Happy with being deluded. So what source of income do you suggest they get? If you don’t suggest they get a job?

What has that got to do with what I wrote?

I agree

Well, it is

I have Multiple Sclerosis. I work full time.

I've been told it's going to be really difficult for me to get pip. Even though this is a life long degenerative disease that affects my mobility and brain function.

It isn't simple, people have died waiting or have been outright refused pip.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2017/october/pip-claims-terminal-ill-cancer-patients-being-rejected

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49524259#:~:text=Without%20the%20benefits%20payment%2C%20Mr,told%20he%20would%20soon%20die.

Why do you want to protect that group in particular?

Why wouldn’t people in the same position who haven’t claimed already need it if the first group does

What’s the difference in need?

The problem is... if you take, take, take from the 'haves' until they feel like 'have nots' then they stop caring about 'have nots'.

Equality shouldn't be about make us ALL 'have nots'.

Explain to me how the draconian cut to PIP would achieve more people in work, given that PIP is not an out of work benefit ?

The richest 0.1 per cent are richer than they've ever been, and contributing disproportionately to our rapidly warming planet. Secure housing is beyond the reach of anyone on a normal salary. Employers' expectations of what people will provide in return for insecure, badly paid jobs are so insane that they're causing a mental health crisis.

GDP is higher than it's ever been, so it's clear that economic growth is not the answer to these problems.

The very richest in society are taking and taking and taking, and impoverishing everyone in their wake financially and psychologically.

Taxing wealth is the only thing that can get us out of this hole.

Mental health is a massive issue. I have postnatal depression (not severe enough for PIP) and my "baby" turns 19 next week. There is very little support available.

Surely you must recognise its RR's ND policy fueling the exodus of high tax paying people. 10k left between Autumn Statement and April budget.

It should be about making sure that those with the very deepest pockets fulfil their obligations to society. And at the moment that’s just not happening. So Mr and Mrs Doing Okay get the brunt every time.

Let me guess you are 100% able bodied and so are your children ? My son is not he and I’ll need help forever , I pay my 50% tax and shut up because altough my son would be ok if pup fails as he has me , many cannot say the same ! You are a selfish person . Anyone can become disabled , I just spend a afternoon trying to get a young man pips claim overturned , he was a “ normal “ person this time last year , then a drunk driver crashed against his car and now he only has use of one arm and his cognitive capacities are of a teen .
Open your mind ! Stop 🛑 hate against the most vulnerable

If you tell them you can’t chop veg because you have arthritis but actually can there’s no way for anyone to prove otherwise. If you tell them you can’t walk half a mile because of back or another other issues no one puts you on a treadmill to see. You can have a physical or mental health issue that doesn’t affect your ability to carry out tasks but no one has the ability to check on you and you don’t have to actually prove anything

And let’sremeber they are starting all this cuts while also promoting euthanasia for many conditions . They are 100% interlinked

I do, did you mean to the poster I replied to

It's very hard to see how anyone can argue with this. These are just facts.

And don’t forget the financial benefit to be gained by the state by all these older people not drawing their state pension if they choose (or get guilt-tripped) into ending their lives early via euthanasia.

But not on their benefits. Pensioners pay tax on their state pension. It isn't discounted for tax like all other benefits.

I think things like non means tested PIP and DLA will need to be completely reformed and we need to make it more attractive to work which inevitably means making it less attractive to rely on state benefits.

I am sure that nobody is listening, but just to say again - PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT, AND NEITHER IS DLA.

DLA is for CHILDREN, and it's going to be rather difficult for them to find work more attractive than being a child.

I worked all my life, paid taxes and still pay taxes albeit retired. I receive PIP and that is what helped me to work. I have never ever claimed unemployment benefit of any kind. Disability does not equate to unemployment.

A wonder how many of these posters on this thread saying we cannot afford to fund disability are also willing to accept that we cannot afford to fund free childcare and all the other benefits that THEY get?

I don't disagree that taxes need to rise, nor that reforms are needed - but why is it always someone else who needs reforming? Lets put everything in the pot if we are going there, because there is no justification for singling out a small and vulnerable section of society unless, of course, you are doing that for no better reason than you think they can't fight back.

Welcome to socialism.

There isn’t a difference in need. It’s a compromise. Much like the decision to introduce an age related cut off point for being migrated from DLA to PIP when it was first introduced. When the new eligibility comes into force only new claims will be affected, and when the older claims are closed the system will gradually equalise and everyone will receive the same . It may not seem fair (it isn’t) but when dealing with the benefits system this happens quite often.

PIP was introduced in 2013. There was an age cut off for migration onto the benefit from DLA and anyone over it was allowed to stay on DLA for the duration of the claim, meaning that they were in receipt of the same rates of pay as PIP claimants but not subjected to the same harsh assessment as new claimants of PIP. So they were often in receipt of higher awards than would have been awarded on PIP for the same conditions. When the last of these claims is closed the system will equalise and DLA for adults will no longer exist.

Worryingly, it seems like our government has never heard of the Laffer Curve which is basic economics and studied at A level.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffercurve