Baby of brain dead woman finally delivered weighing less than 2 pounds

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It’s evil what was done to that poor woman. At one point she was literally rotting just so she could incubate the fetus that little bit longer. He’s finally been born, and he’s so small. They are confident he will make it, but I think they HAVE to say that to justify what they did.

Least she can rest in peace now

Yes, I agree that it's awful the doctors decided - under the worry of breaking state law - and not the NOK.

It's like something out of a horror film, can't believe anyone thinks this is ok. That baby was inside a corpse basically, imagine knowing that about yourself, imagine how you would feel.on your birthday, the day you were cut out of an autopsied corpse. Poor child.

If I were 25 weeks pregnant, I would want to be kept on life support for a month or so to give my baby a better chance of survival. I don't think your view that it's "fucking unhinged" should have an impact on the decisions I make about my body and my baby in a tragic situation.

Equally, I would absolutely not judge any woman who didn't want to be kept on life support in that situation.

The issue is the doing it is disrespectful so it has to be talked about. Dreadful as it is to think about, and talk about, this poor woman's body in those terms, if we don't talk about the reality, what people believe is some kind of Snow White fairytale about her condition.

Disagreeing with you on the specific issue of abortion rights in the UK doesn't make me naive, FYI.

I also don't believe there's much chance of Reform gaining significant political power; after a decade or two of trying under many names, they still only have a handful of MPs.

This poor woman. She had a DNR in place. Her baby will forever be traumatised by this experience, her body lay decomposing as it was used as an incubator. They had to deliver the baby early because her body was breaking down. This is so sick.

The medical bills are likely to run into hundreds of thousands of pounds. It’ll bankrupt them. The round the clock care for the child won’t be free, either.

An individual might want lots of things but it is weighed against the cost to society. You can't consent to being eaten, you can't consent to forced labour, you can't consent to gbh beyond medical reasons because the consequences for society would be beyond decency. Being kept alive for months on end to sustain a pregnancy while the body degrades to an inevitable death should fall under this category.

I absolutely agree that what was done to her was entirely disrespectful (if that isn't too mild a term). And I do take your point about making people aware of the reality.

To me, it's just the lack of consent- both from her (which you could argue couldn't be helped) and her family- which makes this such a terrible story (along with the fact that it's obviously utterly tragic for a young woman to die). And as I say, I can't shake the feeling that referring to her as a corpse and talking about her "rotting" isn't treating her with dignity.

Why are people debating about how if they were 25+ weeks pregnant they would want their baby to have a chance?

This woman wasn’t 25 weeks…she was 9 weeks!!! She had her DNR ignored and over ruled because the foetus had a heart beat. That was it.

A foetus who wasn’t even born yet, who had no chance of surviving if it was, had more rights than the actual woman

Millions of dollars. Not just for her 16 weeks in the ICU, but the baby’s 5+ months.

It’s the truth. She was a corpse. She was dead, her blood was pumped by machines.

I was going to say this. Hundreds of thousands is underestimating.

You can't consent to being eaten, you can't consent to forced labour, you can't consent to gbh beyond medical reasons because the consequences for society would be beyond decency.

There is zero benefit, to anyone, of any of the things you have listed.

You can, however, consent to having your organs cut out of your dead body and sewn into someone else's body. Because that action has huge benefits for others. I would argue that a woman consenting for her body to be used to allow the survival of her own unborn baby, if that is what she wants to do, is equivalent to organ donation.

It's very uncomfortable and disturbing language. But we should be uncomfortable and disturbed by this situation. "Fucking unhinged" as per a pp sums it up for me.

How would you fund this (if you were in the US)?
It's likely to cost the family millions.

Properly monstrous. What a hideous country it is.

It is a fact that life support machines cannot stop the inevitability of decomposition after death, but they can delay it, in some cases by months. This poor woman was on life support for four months - where's the evidence that she was "literally rotting" as the OP so graphically put it?

Because conversations develop and evolve. It's not like people have started chatting about what they're having for dinner; it's highly linked to the subject of the thread.

Some people were saying it wasn't acceptable in any circumstances, and others were disagreeing, because they would consent to it if they were in a more advanced state of pregnancy. It's really not hard to follow the logical thread here.

I haven't seen a single comment saying that what happened to this poor woman was anything other than abhorrent. If you see one, have it out with the poster.

Number 2: The father of the child wanted to give his child a chance at life. That was why there was a fight. Of course the media played that aspect down because it didn't fit the narrative. Because they were not married, there were TWO nexts-of-kin who differed on what they wanted. The parents were the mother's nok, the father of the child was the baby's nok.

The father, who was the mother's partner and also the father of her other child, isn't running to the press, the mother's family is, and they've been spouting lies about who is going to pay. The mother's insurance will pay. Parents of an adult child are not responsible for their medical costs. What the insurance doesn't pay, the mother's estate will pay. If her estate can't cover it, the taxpayers will pay.

The father of the child will pay the baby's costs. If he can't then the taxpayers will pay. That's how it works here. The parents aren't on the hook for a penny of it, despite their lies to the press.

Why the parents of the mother were so eager to let her die I don't understand; I would want my grandchild to have a chance at life.

It's very much in keeping with the US attitude to abortion, they're happy to legally prevent women from aborting but offer very little in support once the DCs born. Now they've kept this poor woman functioning after her own death for the babies sake but the medical bills will ruin the DCs family unless some kind benefactor comes forward.

Absolutely. What a tragic story. The poor, poor woman and the poor baby. Her poor family. Jesus.

“The father wanted it”

So what???? The mother didn’t want to be resuscitated.

The fact the father wanted it and was listened to over the interests of the mother makes it even worse, tbh.

How will his children feel when they hear about what he forced their mother to endure? Them to endure?