Owner of Tattle Life named

[BeardofHagrid]

The owner of hate forum Tattle Life has today been legally named as Sebastian Bond. He also goes by the alias Bastian Durward. He has tried to flee to Asia to avoid paying his legal costs.

https://goss.ie/featured/everything-we-know-about-the-owner-of-tattle-life-as-he-is-finally-named-423238

I think it’s an excellent outcome.

I’ve never been on the site, barely heard of it before now but it’s great to see some lines in the sand in terms of the internet, it’s long past overdue.

What many seem to call gossip, opinion, or title tattle Iwould say are quite clearly obviously and demonstrably, lies. And are generally malicious and vexatious, at there absolute best, supremely ignorant.

Free speech blah blah blah. Libel is a crime, Slander is a crime and ignorance is no defence in law. If you knowingly and willingly make or repeat statements that you know to be untrue, or have no way of evidencing, that are clearly just to be mean or cause trouble. Especially in a global public forum, you should be bloody sued.

I don’t mean just slagging someone off, if someone is a bitch, that is a matter of opinion, political opinion is also totally okay, that can be extreme by nature. But personal attacks - claiming affairs, accusations of crimes, destroying livelihoods and business with lies etc. That needs to stop.

It’s interesting, I’d say posters on Tattle are meaner about public figures / influencers but actually very kind and supportive on personal posts and posters on Mumsnet are often the opposite, generally quite measured about people in the public eye and often cold and callous as fuck to individual posters.

Obviously, neither of those are ideal.

There was a woman I followed years ago on Instagram who was nice, she wasn't doing the whole nail tapping stuff, just sharing bits of her life. She ended up completely shutting down her account after tattle life tore her to pieces, accused her of faking her son's serious illness for views etc. I liked her clothes, they were things I'd wear and not 'influencer' outfits. I rarely find anyone I want to follow these days as they are all so cookie cutter.

Tattle is one of the few places that I’ve seen calling out the Ruby Frankes and the kind of YouTube families in the Kidfluencing documentary long before Netflix got hold the stories. But other than that, I don’t know 99% of the people that have threads on there to comment on how fair or otherwise the comments are.

I think that has to be a piss take. Google Sebastian Bond. 🤣

I see some influencers I follow posting that tattle users will be "outed" when their details are handed over.

That’s just wishful thinking. I have an old tattle account (I haven’t looked at for years) but it has no personal details on there and I’d assume most people do the same and put a fake name etc, same as they would setting up an account on MN (unless they’re thick).

Tattle could be hilarious and I certainly never read anything really bad - why on earth do people in the public eye go on there to read stuff about themselves? - how narcissistic!

If you want to be in the public eye you’re going to face some negativity and not everyone will love you, no matter how wonderful you are. That’s life, people gossip. Its ridiculous to imagine you can micro manage what people say about you (especially when you make a living from advertising your life online and flogging shite )

I’m shocked at the result of the court case - it seems crazy to me - but also not - with the way the world is going and freedom of speech becoming a thing of the past.

Surely the way to stop feeling suicidal about what people are saying about you is to stop reading it? Simple. It’s crazy to imagine you can control what everyone says about you and that people must only say nice things, in RL and online. These people in the public eye LIVE for attention, but only if it fits with their view of themselves.

You’d have to ban the internet as a whole to stop gossip and nastiness. It’s like pissing in the wind to just ban Tattle, it’s no worse than MN, Reddit etc.

Tattle Life is a legitimate hellhole, and anyone who wants to post on there should deeply examine their motivation for doing so, and what may lie behind it.

If you want an example of how disgusting it is, check out the Katie Price thread. It’s full of nasty posts about her kids, including Harvey!

KP is obviously no angel, but her children are totally off-limits; they never asked to be (in)famous! How could any adult justify laughing at a disabled kid who can’t defend themselves?

How do you know that?

I’ve posted on there in the past about a couple of influencers I followed who had nice houses that I admired, it was mainly people discussing how they’d made their money etc along with some gentle piss taking about reels they posted. Just general nosiness when bored and at a loose end, like reading Heat magazine in the old days.

Id imagine for most people on there it’s nothing more serious than that. Doesn’t mean everyone on there has some sinister agenda.

And as a pp mentioned - you’d have to be on there yourself to know so much about it, right? Or were you just on there for altruistic purposes?

Do you never discuss people in the public eye? Have an opinion about celebrities etc?

You can't wait to see everyone named and shamed as users?

On an anonymous forum, where you can discuss anything you like anonymously?

I do agree but what kind of parent forces the fame and lack of privacy onto their child? I hope we see i change in the law to protect children and vulnerable adults from their abusive parents.

I go on tattle occasionally for celeb gossip and the true crime threads-so I haven't seen any of the toxic stuff about influencers etc. it's definitely not all terrible. I was surprised it had such a bad reputation.

Who cares about what was alleged about them. It this sort of gossip curiosity that got them being in this vile position in the first place.

That is very don't-give-up-your-day-job cooking! So clunky.

It’s not all nasty. I’ve managed to avoid any nastiness, but I like the big brother threads

100%

Ah i get it. It’s fine if the people frightened for their safety and suicidal are influencers/in the public eye in any way. Is that right? Clearly enough awful on it to sue and win.

I agree it’s vile and I wouldn’t do it- but equally I think it’s gross to put your children all over public social media, make money off using their image, divulging their medical conditions, personal matters etc-
You cannot monetise children and claim their privacy and protection in the same breath.
Whilst there are probably lots of slanderous things on tattle what I would guess most of these people object to is anyone who doesn’t adore them.

I'm not familiar with this particular website, but it likely falls into social media gray area. In basic terms...

Twitter/X isn't held accountable as a publisher if I post a libelous statement about someone on their site/app.

However, if I make that same statement to, say, a newspaper, and they publish it as is... we've both committed libel.

Also - Libel is a civil matter. Courts/police don't "go after" people for it. It is solely down to the injured party to bring action.

There are threads which to me go too far, where it's a celeb who is just being personally dissected, but the threads on influencers are useful in calling out hypocrisy and lies. If I come across an influencer, I do check to see if they have a thread on tattle, and if so what's being said.

Influencers make large amounts of money by exploiting parasocial relationships, largely without any sort of regulation. They hate the idea that they should have any sort of accountability, or that anyone is keeping score of the lies they tell, and so of course they hate tattle because of it.

Probably the worst posters on tattle are other competing influencers rather than random members of the public.

Neil Sands has a sister Irene Sands who was one of the hot shot barristers involved in the Drogheda feud but disappeared suddenly with lots of rumors a few years ago about connections to the criminals she represented and hasn't worked since then. There were articles in the paper but seem to have been wiped.

I reckon tattle played a huge part in the demise of jack monroe's so called media career. They should get props for that!

How? Why? Are you a public figure? influencers? Was there a thread on you or something?

As is in here. Mumsnet users act all high and mighty without realising how people outside
of the site see them.

I've had the odd, guilty read of tattle because I'm kind of fascinated by muminfluencers (being at that stage of life).

Yeah some of it is a bit deranged and overly personal but I do also genuinely think we will look back on children having their whole lives online for thousands of strangers and feel the same way as we do now about children down chimneys. I've not read anything actually horrible about the kids on tattle (I'm sure it's there) it's all calling out the parents.

And yes I know I could just log off instagram and read an improving book 😐.

Also some (a few) MN users are vile and I'd rather read something bitchy about a public figure than see people lay in to some poor anonymous person asking for help.