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Mothers of adult daughters...

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Eegokeennow · 22/03/2025 16:09

Quick question:

Under what circumstances would you give your daughter the silent treatment/ignore text messages etc?

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SockFluffInTheBath · 22/03/2025 20:53

Devonshiregal · 22/03/2025 20:45

My mother would say me blowing up at her was me being disrespectful and I need to learn how to say sorry and it’s my fault and all the stuff this poster says - in reality my mother was emotionally abusive and narcissistic. After a lifetime of manipulative behaviour you get angry. And you shout and scream about everything because they refuse to acknowledge anything. This poster should make sure she’s completely innocent before she starts throwing stones. And if her daughter is behaving like this “for no reason”, and she is somehow completely guilt free, the poster should realise that her daughter is clearly incredibly troubled - and as her mother it is her job to figure out why, not silent treatment her into an apology. People don’t just start behaving this way for not reason.

I’m ’this poster’. My mum is the same as yours, hence the NC, I’ve always tried to be fair with my DC and give them space to make mistakes and grow, not to ostracise them for doing what I didn’t want them to do. DD has had significant friend group issues through sixth form and is really struggling with exam pressure now in yr13. She wanted a tutor, so I found her a gentle and supportive one. There are no penalties for failure in this house. No being demeaned or cast out for not toeing the line. I have not repeated my own childhood.

From our shared experience I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but to address your post 1. I must be missing out the bit I did wrong- I have not omitted anything. 2. If not then must be my fault she’s unbalanced.

So either way it’s my fault? I understand you’re pushing back against your own mother and projecting here, but you need support to not project your own experience into everything.

KaleQueen · 22/03/2025 20:58

LindorDoubleChoc · 22/03/2025 19:58

Well, under very extreme circumstances.

Why don't you give some context instead of being so annoyingly vague?

Why don’t you go and do something else with your fingers instead of being so (putting words in then scoring them out) passive aggressive. Maybe reading the thread might be a start ❤️

Longsummerdays25 · 22/03/2025 20:58

Devonshiregal · 22/03/2025 20:45

My mother would say me blowing up at her was me being disrespectful and I need to learn how to say sorry and it’s my fault and all the stuff this poster says - in reality my mother was emotionally abusive and narcissistic. After a lifetime of manipulative behaviour you get angry. And you shout and scream about everything because they refuse to acknowledge anything. This poster should make sure she’s completely innocent before she starts throwing stones. And if her daughter is behaving like this “for no reason”, and she is somehow completely guilt free, the poster should realise that her daughter is clearly incredibly troubled - and as her mother it is her job to figure out why, not silent treatment her into an apology. People don’t just start behaving this way for not reason.

Whilst the poster should definitely reflect on her own behaviour, shouting at a narcissist is the completely pointless and all you will achieve is giving them a good reason to blame you for all of their problems.

The only reaction is to grey rock and/or minimise your own exposure. I know it’s very frustrating and upsetting but you can’t change them. You can only protect yourself.

Interested in this thread?

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Devonshiregal · 22/03/2025 22:23

Longsummerdays25 · 22/03/2025 20:58

Whilst the poster should definitely reflect on her own behaviour, shouting at a narcissist is the completely pointless and all you will achieve is giving them a good reason to blame you for all of their problems.

The only reaction is to grey rock and/or minimise your own exposure. I know it’s very frustrating and upsetting but you can’t change them. You can only protect yourself.

Edited

Yes you’re very right. I didn’t conceptually understand she actually had a personality disorder until my late twenties. It hit me like a tonne of bricks. If I had understood this as a child or even younger adult it would’ve helped me enormously.

atmywitsend1989 · 23/03/2025 04:29

batt3nb3rg · 22/03/2025 19:34

It's completely OK for a mother to take some time apart from her child after they have physically assaulted her or stolen her, obviously assuming that child is well into adulthood (I would say 21 plus). I'm not advocating for permenant estrangement, but mothers are people too and there is no way I would be in the right place mentally to be interacting with anyone who had assaulted me for a few weeks at least after the fact.

In some cases the child never learns and permanent estrangement wouldn't necessarily be out of the question. I don't think people understand how horrid it is to be abused by a child of either sex who's taller or bigger than you

Longsummerdays25 · 23/03/2025 05:45

Devonshiregal · 22/03/2025 22:23

Yes you’re very right. I didn’t conceptually understand she actually had a personality disorder until my late twenties. It hit me like a tonne of bricks. If I had understood this as a child or even younger adult it would’ve helped me enormously.

It doesn’t change the fact she is harming you, abusing you. It’s not an excuse. Even your natural responses can be weaponised and manipulated. What would you have done differently if you had known it was a NPD?

It is uniquely difficult and painful to have a mother with NPD, because a child can never really reach them. They remain emotionally and sometimes physically out of reach. Sometimes unable to even recognise the child is a separate being with their own interests, life and dreams - sometimes a child is just an extension of the mother with NPD. Purely there to serve their needs.

You were a wounded child and it’s okay to have tried to defend yourself in some way. How can any child feeling injured, emotionally abandoned and manipulated protect themselves with so few tools at a young and vulnerable age?

I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you have been able to talk to someone about this in real life, it sounds like it’s still causing you significant pain.

Radish81 · 23/03/2025 06:23

batt3nb3rg · 22/03/2025 19:34

It's completely OK for a mother to take some time apart from her child after they have physically assaulted her or stolen her, obviously assuming that child is well into adulthood (I would say 21 plus). I'm not advocating for permenant estrangement, but mothers are people too and there is no way I would be in the right place mentally to be interacting with anyone who had assaulted me for a few weeks at least after the fact.

I never said it wasn’t for others

but me? No, my child assaulting me would be a massive huge cause of concern for their mental health and no - I would not ignore them.

awakeallhours · 23/03/2025 07:22

I’m so sorry you went through this and are having to continually process all that has happened to you. If you are not familiar already with Mary Toolans work on scapegoat children and recovery, I can recommend.

Devonshiregal · 23/03/2025 07:27

Longsummerdays25 · 23/03/2025 05:45

It doesn’t change the fact she is harming you, abusing you. It’s not an excuse. Even your natural responses can be weaponised and manipulated. What would you have done differently if you had known it was a NPD?

It is uniquely difficult and painful to have a mother with NPD, because a child can never really reach them. They remain emotionally and sometimes physically out of reach. Sometimes unable to even recognise the child is a separate being with their own interests, life and dreams - sometimes a child is just an extension of the mother with NPD. Purely there to serve their needs.

You were a wounded child and it’s okay to have tried to defend yourself in some way. How can any child feeling injured, emotionally abandoned and manipulated protect themselves with so few tools at a young and vulnerable age?

I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you have been able to talk to someone about this in real life, it sounds like it’s still causing you significant pain.

Thank you so much for your kind words. It’s really appreciated.

it does cause me significant pain. No contact now but my hand was forced for various reason. I wouldn’t have done it otherwise.

I have a lot of clarity on the situation now because I recognise her condition. I have also had the good fortune (?) to have other neutral people recognise it too and witness her behaviour (including the very subtle ones). This enabled me to feel seen and validated, I guess. When you spend a lifetime being told you’re the problem for starting arguments when, in fact, they’re starting the arguments and you’re reacting to that, it twists you in knots - I believe someone further up thread used this term or similar and it is so true. Both emotionally and psychologically.

also, of course, you look like you’re starting arguments as they’ll fall into victim mode at such speed that to the outside world you look like a complete cow for being cross at them.

for me, the significant ‘finding’ was that npd people find give and take relationships the hardest. I always wondered why my siblings found her difficult but not so hard as me. It was because I require give and take. I tried to have an open, discussion-having, inner-thoughts sharing relationship with her. I thought this was ‘our thing’ but realise now she can’t deal with me having my own opinions or doing things out of what she wants. My siblings don’t share with her. They do things and then she doesn’t like it but it’s too late. She might stomp off or make some digs but it’s done. For me, I’d try to share why I was thinking about doing something and try to confide and if she didn’t agree she’d be manipulative and sometimes cruel in the hopes of dissuading me. It’s very confusing to think you have a mutually supportive relationship where you’re very close but to not recognise they don’t actually have your best interests at heart in the same way as a non npd parent would. It all comes back to their ego.

Also, with siblings not receiving the same treatment, it makes you look like the problem too.

I think the reality is that I want my mum. I want her to want me. For me. And I miss her. But she doesn’t seem to miss me - not in the way you would expect a mother to miss a child. And that’s very painful. And it’s hard to back track now and just start treating her with detachment because I’m furious and heartbroken. But there’s no where for that hurt to go.

oh gosh gone off one one here sorry!

seanconneryseyebrow · 23/03/2025 10:52

Don’t believe people who say absolutely never. I believe they belief that - but when confronted with outright abuse from your own daughter any sane person would go low/no contact. Just because you love someone - even if they are your child/parent you must never tolerate abuse from anyone. Ever.

Vodkamummy · 23/03/2025 13:08

Absolutely none, that is just being childish. If she has upset, annoyed, irritated or disrespected you with her behaviour, communicate that to her.

Bennetty · 23/03/2025 13:11

If I needed space to protect myself from her physically or emotionally. I would maybe step away for a short time and then come back to her, but I wouldn't do a prolonged silent treatment to punish her. It's worth noting that my daughter is an infant so I'm just thinking more about my relationship with my (bpd narc) mother

Chuckn · 23/03/2025 13:11

Eegokeennow · 22/03/2025 16:09

Quick question:

Under what circumstances would you give your daughter the silent treatment/ignore text messages etc?

None, zero, it's abuse, what sort of question is this?

Intothesunshine · 23/03/2025 13:22

Eegokeennow · 22/03/2025 16:09

Quick question:

Under what circumstances would you give your daughter the silent treatment/ignore text messages etc?

If your daughter is important to you, you would never conciously ignore her !!

Northernmumxx79 · 23/03/2025 13:33

None.

Radish81 · 23/03/2025 13:53

seanconneryseyebrow · 23/03/2025 10:52

Don’t believe people who say absolutely never. I believe they belief that - but when confronted with outright abuse from your own daughter any sane person would go low/no contact. Just because you love someone - even if they are your child/parent you must never tolerate abuse from anyone. Ever.

This is such a dogmatic view

“don’t believe people who say”

I mean, the arrogance if nothing else

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 13:59

I have another question for mothers of adult daughters.

Do you ever fall out with your daughters if they want to patch things up? Like if they apologise/extend an olive branch etc?

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Radish81 · 23/03/2025 14:00

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 13:59

I have another question for mothers of adult daughters.

Do you ever fall out with your daughters if they want to patch things up? Like if they apologise/extend an olive branch etc?

That question doesn’t make sense

presumably you’ve already fallen out of one party is apologising?

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 14:00

So it's not so much the silent treatment, but prolonging an argument, escalating your annoying, getting it all off your chest, rowing etc.

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glittereyelash · 23/03/2025 14:01

My mother used to do silent treatment a lot for all kinds of reasons. We spent a lot of time when I was an adult trying to work out why our relationship was so complicated. The more time I spent talking with her the more I understood why she acted in ways I didn't always understand. I was lucky that we managed to work things out and her behaviour changed but it was because she really wanted to and made a huge effort to communicate properly.

Radish81 · 23/03/2025 14:01

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 14:00

So it's not so much the silent treatment, but prolonging an argument, escalating your annoying, getting it all off your chest, rowing etc.

That is abuse op

plain and simple

Radish81 · 23/03/2025 14:03

She lives on a different continent to you op

you’re not close to your sibling
your father seems to have spent his life with his head stuck in sand
and your mother is abusive

Do yourself a huge favour…. And put all this to the back of your mind and celebrate her silence

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 14:05

No. Daughter does something to annoy the mother. Mother gets angry or upset. Daughter says 'sorry' and tries to make amends. Mother doesn't want to hear and continues things with 'you always do this...you're 'this', you're 'that''. Daughter tries to talk to the mum who is too angry and either wants to keep being hostile or storms off. So not so much the silent treatment, but prolonged annoyance and anger being expressed on the mother's part.

Like if I've done something and say sorry or try to explain myself and express a desire to reconcile, I'm very much in the bad books and who knows when I'm going to come out. It usually involved begging, which I don't do anymore.

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Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 14:07

glittereyelash · 23/03/2025 14:01

My mother used to do silent treatment a lot for all kinds of reasons. We spent a lot of time when I was an adult trying to work out why our relationship was so complicated. The more time I spent talking with her the more I understood why she acted in ways I didn't always understand. I was lucky that we managed to work things out and her behaviour changed but it was because she really wanted to and made a huge effort to communicate properly.

That's so great your mum was so open to change!

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Radish81 · 23/03/2025 14:08

Eegokeennow · 23/03/2025 14:05

No. Daughter does something to annoy the mother. Mother gets angry or upset. Daughter says 'sorry' and tries to make amends. Mother doesn't want to hear and continues things with 'you always do this...you're 'this', you're 'that''. Daughter tries to talk to the mum who is too angry and either wants to keep being hostile or storms off. So not so much the silent treatment, but prolonged annoyance and anger being expressed on the mother's part.

Like if I've done something and say sorry or try to explain myself and express a desire to reconcile, I'm very much in the bad books and who knows when I'm going to come out. It usually involved begging, which I don't do anymore.

This is mainly all over the phone presumably?