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Accent acquisition in young children

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argyllherewecome · 10/03/2025 10:56

I'm a teacher but have been off work sick so I've had loads of time to think (for a change!). Anyway, this is something that has fascinated me for ages and I'm sure there are posters here who know about this.
My school is fairly diverse. Most children with ESL parents come into school either with no English or basic words that have a distinct mother tongue accent. They lose this within several years usually, and by then they have a local accent.

I've noticed though some children do not adopt a local accent.
Irish Travellers: despite being born and raised here they nearly exclusively all have a very thick Irish accent, and this doesn't change over time. There are a few other children that have parents or a mother at least from different parts of the country, and they keep a very strong regional accent from them, which doesn't change much over time. This is an exception rather than a rule though.

Any language experts that can explain how this happens? I'm the embarrassing sort of person that goes somewhere for a few days and I pick up accents!

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InterIgnis · 13/03/2025 13:03

TaliaTalia · 13/03/2025 12:54

That’s so funny you’ve said that because I’m often asked if I’m South African and in my mind an Israeli accent and a South African accent are nothing alike but clearly there must be a similarity that some others can hear.

I suppose American English is commonly heard enough that they could have picked it up that way. It just really surprises me the strength of it in all of them, especially the two who were born and grew up here.

They don’t sound at all alike in my mind either!

I suppose if you think about it, the General American/trans-Atlantic accent is a blend in itself, so perhaps it isn’t strange that it emerges. It is, loosely, the American version of RP, as it just sounds broadly ‘American’, and can’t be pinned down to any one area within the USA.

Beenthroughit · 13/03/2025 14:12

ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 13/03/2025 10:15

RP is not generic southern English I can assure you. There is no such thing as generic southern English any more than there is generic northern English. There are broad speech similarities that mark someone out as from the north west, or the north east, the south west, the south east, or the midlands. That's all.

By 'southern' England I presume you are dividing England up into three broad bands of south, midlands and north. So everything south of the midlands would encompass all the home counties as well as Beds, Oxfordshire Hampshire, E and W Sussex and Suffolk as well as all of the west country south of the midlands including Cornwall, Bristol and Gloucestershire? That's a huge sweep. The idea that they all speak in a way that is some sort of generic accent that is loosely RP is just so inaccurate I don't even know where to start.

People in Newcastle don't sound anything like people in Manchester but by your logic they are both 'northern' so they must speak the same. Confused There are subtle differences between the fairly bog standard accents of Essex, Kent and Surrey that I can discern because I am very familiar with all those areas and people from them, but those differences may not be picked up by someone from Newcastle for example. To them they'd just hear 'southern' or 'London.' If they think they hear RP then they don't know what RP is.

There will be people who claim they speak with RP, by which they usually mean they ennunciate clearly, probably have softer, more modulated vowel sounds compared to others who speak with a much stronger regional accent than them, don't drop their Hs or their Ts etc, use standard grammatical sentence construction etc. But that is not the same thing as speaking RP. They could still very much be identified as 'northern' or from or the west midlands or even specific parts of Scotland, even if they are perceived as quite well spoken or 'posh'. RP is not the same as simply speaking well but with a regional accent, however refined it is. If it's identifiable as regional at all then it's not RP.

RP is a very specific and prescribed way of speaking English. Anyone who speaks it in its pure form could be from anywhere in the UK and you would not know where. There would be no giveaways to a specific region in their speech, or only barely perceptible ones that a trained linguist would be able to pick up on, but not your average person. That's the whole point of it. It's a way of standard pronunciation that makes English clearly understood by anybody in the world, without the need to further interpret or understand an added layer of regional variance or dialect. I've heard Aberdonians and Scousers interviewed on TV where their regional accent was so strong I felt I needed subtitles even though I am a native English speaker and so were they. If they could understand me perfectly in a reverse situation, it's not because I am from the south, it's because I speak quite 'well' so while I don't speak RP, my local (greater London) accent is a fairly soft one. But put someone with a very broad working class London/Cockney accent in front a a foreigner who thinks they understand English well and it could be a very different story.

RP is supposed to remove all that confusion and be the default for spoken English. The 'better' you speak, the closer it will be to RP but that doesn't mean it is RP. But 'better' in this case simply means more easily understood by the greatest number of people.

Traditionally most people who have grown up learning to speak with RP have not had much interaction with the locals of their area, being from the sorts of families where everyone was packed off to boarding school then university, in the days when uptake was more like 7% and less like 50%. By the time they were fully formed adults their accent would be fixed and not 'adulterated' by the influence of regional speech. And the working class and LMC kids who made it to university had probably had their regional accents knocked out of them (or at least softened) by grammar schools and scholarships to private school.

These days RP is seen as unimportant, as class barriers break down and regional accents are embraced and celebrated. RP is certainly no longer the key to the door of certain careers. Although undoubtedly, being able to speak 'well' will still help in certain spheres. But 'well' does not mean without any trace of regional accent.

Except TV and radio, where these days the very opposite is true and RP is more likely to hold you back and mark you out as someone who has succeeded not necessarily through meritocracy, but privilege, nepotism or old school networking. Whether that is true or not is beside the point, it's the perception that matters.

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I think you know what I mean by a generic southern accent, obviously it is different depending on where you are in the south, which part of London you come from if you're from London, all pretty distinctive, or whichever part of the south you're from. I was married to a Southerner for many years a d he could not accept that his parents from different parts of London had pretty strong accents, retaining them when they moved to the south coast. You can usually or at least pretty often tell when someone is trying to speak without an accent whether they are a northerner or a southerner or from the south west or East Anglia, or many other areas of the country. You may not. Be able to identify where exactly someone was from, but you could usually identify to the general area
Bedfordshire btw doesn't count as south, but either east anglian or south midlands. Not that you get many these days with a real Bedfordshire accent, there are some, though mainly older people , there are so many who have come up from the London area. It is not as distinctive as say the Northampton accent, or the Fenland accent
Having lived and worked. In a fair few places. Around East Anglia and London I can often work out where an accent is from in general even if I can't pinpoint it to the particular town
As a "northerner" I'm well aware of how different accents from Manchester, Liverpool, Lancs/ Yorks border, and places like Blackburn, the many different accents there are in Yorkshire, Cumbria, Tyne and Wear and up towards the Scottish borders are as well as Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire if you count them as Northern, and all the accents inbetween. Those familiar with an area and it's accent can often pinpoint the speaker's origin as well as their education. "Wearside Jack's" accent was pretty well traced to an area around about a mile. From where he was living for. Example
I don't believe ieve that I've ever needed subtitles for anyone wherever they are from to be honest, I've never met anyone within the UK I couldn't nt understand as far as I can recall. Going back to old recordings of how people spoke in different areas, maybe, but not nowadays
A feature of the speech of a fair few southerners I've met, is taking the piss out of how others from other areas speak, all the while denying that they have an accent.
Those with n RP accent can't help having one. It's still an accent though

Itsyourwifeymacrid · 15/03/2025 11:40

argyllherewecome · 10/03/2025 10:56

I'm a teacher but have been off work sick so I've had loads of time to think (for a change!). Anyway, this is something that has fascinated me for ages and I'm sure there are posters here who know about this.
My school is fairly diverse. Most children with ESL parents come into school either with no English or basic words that have a distinct mother tongue accent. They lose this within several years usually, and by then they have a local accent.

I've noticed though some children do not adopt a local accent.
Irish Travellers: despite being born and raised here they nearly exclusively all have a very thick Irish accent, and this doesn't change over time. There are a few other children that have parents or a mother at least from different parts of the country, and they keep a very strong regional accent from them, which doesn't change much over time. This is an exception rather than a rule though.

Any language experts that can explain how this happens? I'm the embarrassing sort of person that goes somewhere for a few days and I pick up accents!

I can't say anything about it but my 5 year old is autistic has social and communication disorder,sensory processing,and more but he's non verbal but he has echolalia as he can't have a convo with you but can say something he hears over and over again, now we live in hull and to me our accent is very common and so boring but he has an American tone to he's voice,that's from all what he watches on you tube all seem to be Americans he watches lol,would love to know if he will always have that American twang now or will he eventually develop our accent,to me he's always going to have it,instead of saying car he says auto mobile lol rubbish os trash it's so cute and funny tho but with him having alot of complex send problems will he keep it,so I can see why you would ask this,can't wait to see more answers on your page

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