Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

All Trump has done is express a desire to stop the killing in Ukraine

@Molly70 You know that is not true. Trump has demanded access to 50% of rare minerals in Ukraine, for nothing in return. Threatened to take over the Panama Canal and Greenland, said Canada should be the 51st state, said all the Palestinians should move out of Gaza and surrounding countries should take them as refugees.

I think that taking some minerals as compensation for the money that has been spent is very reasonable

I know. “Do you own a suit?” Like it matters.

I felt such joy in hearing the cheers from the crowds outside Number 10 earlier. Stood in my living room applauding the telly ....

DT & JD tag-teamed on Zelenskyy - I honestly felt they were out to wind him up, get him to lose his temper in the Oval Office in front of TV cameras. Portray Zelenskyy as unreasonable, volatile, unfit to be President of Ukraine - the body language of DT, DT's 3 shoves to Zelenskyy's shoulder (had me raging). JD bringing up nonsense as in Zelenskyy's attire, not saying thank you (to Trump, Zelenskyy has said it to Biden in the past). And bringing up Zelenskyy in campaigning for Kamala Harris (- sour grapes). Absolute bully boys, undiplomatic to a guest President, shameful.

It was mentioned on Radio 4 earlier this week that Trump really wants the Nobel Peace Prize; peace in Ukraine was one of his electoral promises.

DT doesn't care if Ukraine has to surrender in order for peace to be achieved.

DT doesn't care if Ukraine has to give up part of it's country to Russia for peace to be achieved.

DT doesn't care if Russia go back on any agreement made now in 2 - 3 - 5 years, it means absolute nothing to DT. He'll shrug it off, while the Ukrainian people suffer - and Zelenskyy won't be safe.

As previous poster said, this is due to Russian action. DT said Zelenskyy was an un-elected dictator earlier this week - that Ukraine started the War currently raging with Russia ... Some weak minded people take what DT says as fact without bothering to fact-check.

Only if you're a gangster. Edit, demanding every penny back after the war (like the US did to the UK after ww2) may be reasonable. But demanding it return for not helping the Russians take Ukraine is pure gangsterism.

@Molly70 It's fascinating to read your posts to see into the mind of someone who thinks Trump is doing a good job. I know quite a few folks in the States and their collective opinion is very different.

I'm not sure that Congress will curb what you describe as "his worst excesses", and I wonder what he would have to do for you to acknowledge that America under Trump is in deep, deep trouble. Torpedo the soft power it's taken decades to acquire? Cut medical aid for the poorest in society? Reduce women's rights to rubble?

What would it take for you to acknowledge that Trump is a rapist on a nationwide level?

He may well be delivering but to an increasing isolated country who don't seem to have the foresight to see the fecking big train hurtling down the tracks bringing the largest cluster fucks the worlds has seen in quite a long time. Trump
Is backing the wrong team here and we will all pay the price.

And i think that's the attitude of an evil scumbag.

You think stealing rare minerals from a country is just? Interesting.
The worth of the rare minerals is estimated to be worth four times more than the cost of the aid GIVEN to Ukraine.

Nobody is cutting aid to the poorest and the abortion issue is a decision taken at state level. Where I live, you can have an abortion up to 23 weeks. If people don’t like abortion rights in their states they need to elect state representatives that align with their views. Trump has never been convicted of rape in a criminal court.

Sorry, Churchill is not all you make him out to be. Look into what caused the Bengal famine. Not altogether different from an America First ideology I am afraid (although, yes, certainly more complicated).

America needs to retain it’s global lead in technology and not let hostile countries have overriding access to theses important minerals. Your thinking is very short sighted.

@Molly70 In chimp society, a brutal dictator can be leader of a pack through sheer cruelty. But as soon as that chimp is weak e.g. ill or injured, the others overthrow him. But a chimp that is leader of a pack through friendship and diplomacy is not overthrown like this.

Trump is taking a greedy approach to countries, its all about what he can get from them. As soon as Trump or the US, or both look weak, Trump will be taken down. Of course in the meantime he can do a lot of damage.

And all the US public cheering are going to change their mind as a tariffs war pushes US prices ever higher.

Time will tell if his approach is the right one or not.

You do not know anything about technology. The US is not in the lead, whatever Trump says. But stealing valuable resources would bring in a lot of money.
It is old fashioned colonialism. Britain did the same during the industrial revolution, stealing valuable resources from poor countries.

America may want that. I don't think I need it to, why should I, I'm not an American.

And other countries can see what Trump is doing. So they will build up their defences and create stronger alliances with others.

I agree - Trump doesn't have the bandwith or patience to play the long diplmatic game - its more business as usual than a political approach.

Absolute bull
Read the transcript. The hectoring. The interrupting. The talking over. The lecturing. The demands for gratitude. The rambling narratives.

But above all the lies

Also to lint out Z made it clear before he came he wanted security guarantees before signing. Trump thought he could bully him into doing it anyway

I think the demands for gratitude were a bit crass

Except he's planning on on cutting down Medicaid and food stamps support. I would call that aid for the poorest wouldn't you?

An as women we all know how hard it is to getting a conviction in criminal court for rape especially against someone as rich and influential as Trump. An no he was "only" convicted for sexual assault and defamation, the details can be found here: ( warning very graphic)
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/29/donald-trump-rape-e-jean-carroll/72295009007/

That is the behavior you support in men. Maybe question your moral compass once in a while.

Which hostile countries? According to Trump Rusdia is not hostile. So which country are you talking about?

When it comes to politics, the dems have shown that they will try and take Trump out by any means possible. For the average Joe, then things would be different

I think Trump is taking an extraordinary gamble.

He's banking on the US using its economic and military might to subjugate and exploit other nations, particularly its traditional allies, to secure US supremacy.

It might work out for them but, if it doesn't, the loss of goodwill towards the US will massively hurt its standing in the world, with significant economic ramifications.

My own guess, and it is a guess, is that we're seeing the start of the beginning of the US as a superpower, and it'll be very painful for all involved (save for the US's traditional adversaries).