Zelensky - feeling quite sad

[Bakewelltart1]

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

Yes, Obama was an exceptional human being, and his use of social media during his campaign was noteworthy.

And thanks @Mumtobabyhavoc for the link for aid to Ukraine.

There are other reputable agencies to help Ukraine. Here are two more:

https://www.unicef.org.uk/donate/donate-now-to-protect-children-in-ukraine/

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/what-we-do/where-we-work/ukraine

Trump and Vance suffering sudden Russian death syndrome and falling out of windows might be a Russian military strategy I could actually get behind. Please god!

Laughing at the pp who said Trump looked ‘strong’. He didn’t really. It’s hard to look strong when Putin’s balls are on your chin because you’re fellating him so hard. Like CATCH THE FUCK ON.

It’s hard to look strong when Putin’s balls are on your chin because you’re fellating him so hard
@Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot Hey! that was my line . . . but I'm flattered that you agree with me😁
Seriously, there does seem to be an increasing mainstream consensus that trump is directly in service to Putin. And speculation about what exactly went on when Trump ditched all his staff and had a private meeting with Putin.

They're in cahoots on something / Putin has dirt on Trump. 🤷‍♀️

The US mafia at work with their extortion racquet grinding down Ukraine - but here we are with two psychologically damaged narcissistic tyrants in charge of the free world.

Putin will break all agreements within 5 years once he has re-armed and rejuvenated his military.

I agree. It never used to bother me, but now, it has gotten so far out of hand, I don't know how they'll rein it in. I don't understand why the parties don't look for a good candidate that will work for all the people and put their money behind them. Tweedledee and Tweedledum are not good candidates.

Sadly, something that has popped up in the last couple of decades are these "groups" that support one candidate over another, and they are horrible, nasty, lying and so frequent these days. It's just another way for candidates to get their digs and insults across without putting their name on it.

Appreciating that the conversation has now cooled significantly, and that I played my own part in it becoming ill-tempered: could I ask who was the most recent candidate of a major party who was acceptable to you? I'm mainly thinking the party's actually nominees, but unsuccesful primary candidates might be interesting, too.

New ones? Obama, Romney, McCain (but because of his running mate, he didn't get my vote). In 2012, I would have voted for Romney but on election day, I ended up in the hospital with a "maybe heart attack". It wasn't. My pulse just wouldn't come down from the 140-160 range.

In 2016, I liked Kasich, Christie and Huckabee. I don't remember who I voted for in the primary, (though I think it was Kasich as others had already withdrawn), just know who did not get my vote. In the general election, I either voted Lib or Green and my DH voted the other. A silent protest. We did the same in 2024.
I skipped the 2024 primary.

@Bakewelltart1 I'm so pleased to find this thread as your OP is just how I felt. I'm really into studying body language so apart from the verbals I was checking all the finger wagging and VZ expression. The guy has had to deal with 3 years of invasion, he looks exhausted and they are moaning about lack of a suit and grovelling gratitude.
It was so obvious this was staged for the press and all of us.
What does DT know about respect? The only person I've not heard him call offensive names in public lately is Musk, who is a 'genius' don't you know.🙄

The consensus is that when Trump had massive money problems in the 80s (??? I'll update when I find the actual date) was when Russia started to use him to launder money. Part of this was via Deutsche Bank (remember their Russian money laundering scandal?). One example is that Trump sold apartments at way over value to the Russians, Trump stayed financially liquid and Russia washed their dirty money into clean stuff they could use in the USA.

In 2014 Eric Trump states where the Trump money comes from (tl;dr Russia):
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/

Trump apartments bought by Russians; eg:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

I ran across an article about a group that takes small donations and funnels them to Ukraine. I've been meaning to post it - although of course that would be in the Politics forum.

This one?

https://u24.gov.ua/about

There are quite a few charities who have different aims, but double, triple and quadruple(!) check they are legit first.

No funneling is needed (that sounds like a red flag TBH) they operate openly.

I didn’t really look at the body language, but that must be interesting to study.
I was concentrating more on how many times Zelenskyy was interrupted 😡 Finger wagging is also very patronising.

Thanks, @DeadSpace3! I don't know if that's it (I'll have to find my clipping), but it looks good.
And sorry if you think "funneling" implies something bad. To me, it's neutral, just meaning collecting what's wanted, and getting it as efficiently as possible to the proper place.

@Bakewelltart1 there's lots of interesting videos out there from various experts in different fields of body language, I find it really interesting. I mentioned finger wagging as the obvious one but there's so much more to it, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes the constant interruption by Trump was off the scale, then he had the cheek to say it was impossible to do business like this!